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re: How many of you were won over by O yesterday?
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:26 pm to Goldrush25
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:26 pm to Goldrush25
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don't know about all of that but we absolutely could've hired a better coach. I would think we're all in agreement on that.
and who is that coach? Fisher and Herman were out. Are you talking about Fedora or some one like that? Who are these coaches that would so obviously be doing better here than Orgeron is. If they are better coaches then they would be doing a better job here than Orgeron is. Who are they?
I admit I liked Herman but am glad as shite right now he didn't come here. Fedora sucks arse. I don't see Mullen being all that great either. I started a thread suggesting him and got crushed by everyone about such a stupid idea (I agree now that we are much better off with Orgeron). Fleck would have been interesting with a lot of upside perhaps but very risky. Maybe we would be doing better with him right now, and blown out Auburn instead of it being so tight. But most likely we would have gotton our asses kicked.
who are these mythical coaches that could have so obviously come in and done better than Orgeron has done?
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My opinions on him as a coach have not changed, and as I've said numerous times now, I'll judge him on the body of work that is the season.
Maybe you started saying that at some point when things weren't as bleak as you thought they should be. But you said his hire was a failure already based off last season and his tenure at Ole Miss.
quote:who are these people that are saying he is a great coach? where are they? I haven't seen them.
Those that thought Orgeron was a bad coach before Auburn and now think he's a great coach after Auburn are easily impressed.
what about those that said his hiring was an abject failure before the season started but now claim to be open minded and want to take a wait and see approach ? Are they easily impressed or just suddenly waking up to the possibility that maybe coach O can be a successful head coach here at LSU?
This post was edited on 9/17/18 at 1:29 pm
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Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:28 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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I'm genuinely curious for a name that you can confidently say would have LSU in a better position than Orgeron right now. Fedora? Fleck?
Hiring coach is about putting yourself in the best position to win long term. It is about hiring someone to sustain the program.
Go back to when O was hired. There were lists of 30+ coaches with better resumes, and those did not include the ones that were untouchable (Saban, Meyer, etc). All of those coaches, some of whom sustained programs at other schools, would have given a higher chance of success. Remember, there are no guarantees. Ask the Dolphins.
O has the team off to a great start. The question is not was O the right hire hecause we are now 3-0. The question is whether O will be able to lead us to sustained success, defined as competing for SEC and National Championships on a regular basis. That remains to be seen.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:30 pm to boxcar willie
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who are these mythical coaches that could have so obviously come in and done better than Orgeron has done?
We've been through this.
If you want to say Coach Orgeron is the best coach we could've possibly gotten, just go ahead and say it.
If you don't think that, then we're obviously in agreement.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:30 pm to LSU Groupee
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wo years later, our offense is worse than the one we had before.
yet it somehow keeps scoring more points than our opponents do and manages us two wins over top 10 teams on the road. frick off..
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:32 pm to boxcar willie
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yet it somehow keeps scoring more points than our opponents do and manages us two wins over top 10 teams on the road. frick off..
One on the road, one on a neutral site.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:32 pm to boxcar willie
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Fisher and Herman were out.
That’s a failure of by the AD
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Are you talking about Fedora or some one like that?
Fedora has become the ultimate strawman. His name was throw out by the media and I assume was on Alleva’s list but most O critics would have been outraged if we hired Fedora
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Who are these coaches that would so obviously be doing better here than Orgeron is. If they are better coaches then they would be doing a better job here than Orgeron is. Who are they?
It’s been 2 years I don’t remember all the guys I liked tbh and given Alleva’s failure to get Fisher, who by most accounts would have loved the job it’s unlikely he would have gotten someone like Fuente
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:37 pm to H-Town Tiger
I wanted Fuente. Ain't gonna lie about it.
I'm very pleased with our team this year and admit Orgeron has surprised me. I picked us to beat Miami, but had us losing to Auburn 27-13 due to the defense getting worn out.
When it was 21-10 and our defense looked gassed, I thought "holy shite, my prediction is coming true". What a wonderful job by Slinger, Aranda, and O to calm the troops and get us back in it.
I'm certainly not sold on Orgeron completely yet, but I am happy to eat crow about Auburn. If he gets this team focused each week for the opponent at hand, limits penalties, and we grow our offense, I will be very happy to eat more crow.
We definitely shouldn't finish worse than 10-2 with this team and this start to the season. Lets keep it going.
I'm very pleased with our team this year and admit Orgeron has surprised me. I picked us to beat Miami, but had us losing to Auburn 27-13 due to the defense getting worn out.
When it was 21-10 and our defense looked gassed, I thought "holy shite, my prediction is coming true". What a wonderful job by Slinger, Aranda, and O to calm the troops and get us back in it.
I'm certainly not sold on Orgeron completely yet, but I am happy to eat crow about Auburn. If he gets this team focused each week for the opponent at hand, limits penalties, and we grow our offense, I will be very happy to eat more crow.
We definitely shouldn't finish worse than 10-2 with this team and this start to the season. Lets keep it going.
This post was edited on 9/17/18 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:38 pm to boxcar willie
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yet it somehow keeps scoring more points than our opponents do and manages us two wins over top 10 teams on the road. frick off..
The defense is putting the offense in favorable conditions. It's disingenuous to say otherwise.
Every single game we've had our defense make a play that either scores or puts our offense on a short field with ~30 yards to go for a TD. Pardon me if I'm not giving the offense credit for that.
Hey, it's a good blueprint, provided that the defense can keep giving the offense short fields. But I think sooner or later the offense has to be able to string together long, methodical drives that end in TDs, and do it consistently. That's what good offenses do.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:38 pm to H-Town Tiger
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That’s a failure of by the AD
Herman used us to get more $ from Texas. Jimbo wanted obscene money. You can't call it a failure at this point...hell he may be a genius if O continues beating top 10 teams.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:41 pm to Goldrush25
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If you want to say Coach Orgeron is the best coach we could've possibly gotten, just go ahead and say it. If you don't think that, then we're obviously in agreement.
no you said Orgeron is so bad we could literally hire nay coach from any where and they would be a better coach than Orgeron. Yet some how this terrible coach has two road wins over top ten teams on the road to start the season and is 3-0.
Tell me who these coaches are that we should have hired? I must have missed them because when we were looking for a coach the names that were coming up from you guys, from me, from the search committee from the media, were Fisher and Herman (didn't happen but we went after them), Fedora, Fleck, Mullen, Franklin from Pittsburg I believe. Then pi in the sky stupid shite like Gruden and Kelly.
So if it is so easy to have hired a better coach, Who is it? Name him. Should be able to rattle off a whole bunch of names that we could have hired that would so obviously be doing so much better here right now
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:41 pm to Laman1978
If he can beat Saban, I don’t think there should be any doubters left
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:42 pm to boxcar willie
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Tell me who these coaches are that we should have hired? I must have missed them because when we were looking for a coach the names that were coming up from you guys, from me, from the search committee from the media, were Fisher and Herman (didn't happen but we went after them), Fedora, Fleck, Mullen, Franklin from Pittsburg I believe. Then pi in the sky stupid shite like Gruden and Kelly.
So if it is so easy to have hired a better coach, Who is it? Name him. Should be able to rattle off a whole bunch of names that we could have hired that would so obviously be doing so much better here right now
Jesus, this was done years ago, why are you rehashing it? 0 was not anywhere close to the best or most qualified. It happens to be working out at the moment, but it doesn't change his qualifications at the time.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:43 pm to PenguinPubes
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If he can beat Saban, I don’t think there should be any doubters left
If he can win 10 games this year, finish really strong in recruiting and replace Aranda with another top DC after he gets a HC gig, then I'll be 100% sold.
Takes years to earn trust.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:44 pm to LNCHBOX
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but it doesn't change his qualifications at the time
Irrelevant at the present.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:44 pm to boxcar willie
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no you said Orgeron is so bad we could literally hire nay coach from any where and they would be a better coach than Orgeron
You and Lester just make stuff up. You're going to have to show me where I said any coach would be a better hire than Orgeron.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:44 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Irrelevant at the present.
No fricking shite. Try reading next time.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:45 pm to Topwater Trout
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Herman used us to get more $ from Texas. Jimbo wanted obscene money. You can't call it a failure at this point...hell he may be a genius if O continues beating top 10 teams.
seriously who is the pussy that would downvote this? downvoting is so cowardly. if you have a problem with what was said voice it...beta little bitches on here
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:46 pm to Topwater Trout
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seriously who is the pussy that would downvote this? downvoting is so cowardly. if you have a problem with what was said voice it...beta little bitches on here
Why do you think anyone who downvotes you is a pussy? I downvoted you FWIW, and I did because Alleva should have gotten Fisher after '15.
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.beta little bitches on here
No one is afraid of you.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:49 pm to Goldrush25
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You and Lester just make stuff up.
If you were fair & objective you’d have something for me. But alas, no dice
Now you’re backed into a corner acting like a victim lol
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:52 pm to LNCHBOX
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I downvoted you FWIW, and I did because Alleva should have gotten Fisher after '15.
So you thought Miles should have been fired in 2015? Do you know the particulars of what it would have taken to hire Fisher for 2016? I seriously doubt it...but make your judgements without knowledge.
Do you even know what the main job is for an AD?
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