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re: How long does Ole Woody give McMahon to right the ship? Looks like a repeat for next year.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 9:24 pm to Nix to Twillie
Posted on 1/22/23 at 9:24 pm to Nix to Twillie
He's locked in for 7 years. Mac won't be going anywhere except for cause.
Look the man can coach. He got all the low cards in the deck this season.
Look the man can coach. He got all the low cards in the deck this season.
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Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:07 am to Adam Banks
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We won’t get anything since woody self imposed the death penalty
This is naive. We're getting something, just a matter of how much. I personally don't think it will be a lot, but it's definitely looming over the program because nobody knows.
This post was edited on 1/23/23 at 9:08 am
Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:16 am to richbad
Ok we get it they’re not good this year. Let’s at least see how he finishes off a full recruiting class before freaking out. Everyone was losing they’re sht on Bk because he had a low rated class before summer. Got to have a little patience for rebuilds.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:34 am to GeauxLSU4
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The roster will look much better and be more competitive next year.
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We should be able to land a much higher caliber of player next year.
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Let’s at least see how he finishes off a full recruiting class before freaking out.
This post was edited on 1/23/23 at 9:36 am
Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:35 am to CP3forMVP
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I can’t believe there are people in here saying he’s gone in the next year or two if we don’t compete in the SEC. Apparently everyone but some of our fans understand this rebuild will likely be a slow burn and will take a few seasons to build back up.
Rebuilds do not have to be a "slow burn". I guess this is sort of an antiquated or football mindset carrying over, but they simply do not have to take long. Iowa St and Kansas St. COMPLETELY flipped their programs around in literally ONE season.
Wade took over an LSU program fresh off its worst SEC performance ever (2-16). Two years later LSU was 16-2 (sec record) and conference champ. Nate Oats got the Alabama job in 19-20. In his second year Alabama was the runaway SEC champ and reached the Sweet 16. In Eric Musselman's second year at Arkansas they finished 2nd in the SEC (behind Alabama) and reached the Elite 8.
In college basketball all it takes is a few key players. Generally that is a mix of a couple highly touted freshman along with a handful of key transfers where a program can literally go from last place to the NCAAT within a year or two.
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In my opinion a lot of it revolves around when the penalties for basketball are handed down. Then the clock starts.
Thank God players aren't as terrified of sanctions as LSU fans. Arizona was under the same "cloud of sanctions" as LSU. They hired a new HC and all he did in year one was go 33-4, win the conference, and get a No. 1 seed in the NCAAT. Memphis was under a "cloud of sanctions". It didn't stop them from signing the #1 HS class in 2021. Hell, LSU was under a "cloud of sanctions" for 3 years following the 2019 season. The recruiting didn't suffer at all as LSU was set to sign a big class last season until Wade was fired.
This isn't the mid 90's when John Brady took the job no one else wanted. Hell, it isn't even 2015. The opportunity to bring in great players has never been greater. With that opportunity comes less of a basis for "patience". Honestly, I thought McMahon did a tremendous job putting together a roster after Wade was let go. He was not only able to keep some LSU players on the roster, but he brought in some key transfers and signed a (relatively) highly rated class, which was remarkable given he only recruited the signees hard for a few months.
But this season has taken a remarkable nosedive. It's not just the competition got better and LSU ended up on the wrong side of the scoreboard more often than not in these first 7 SEC games. That was to be expected. It's that LSU has been completely run out off every gym, including their own, six straight times. Mostly very early in the game.
It was reasonable to expect LSU wouldn't be one of the top teams in the league. NO ONE expected that. But I'm sorry, it was NOT unreasonable to believe LSU would be competitive in the SEC far more times than not. Nearly halfway through conference play LSU is getting their doors blown off by nearly 20 ppg, struggling to score 50 ppg, with no signs of it potentially improving.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:37 am to Alt26
realist post 
all factual points. a lot of fans don't realize that this isn't going to magically improve unless all of a sudden the basketball program is flush with NIL money and can attract top talent.
all factual points. a lot of fans don't realize that this isn't going to magically improve unless all of a sudden the basketball program is flush with NIL money and can attract top talent.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 9:48 am to richbad
Three years if it's bottom-of-the-conference type play like we're seeing this year.
Five to make the tournament.
Five to make the tournament.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 10:00 am to Alt26
quote:Don't know about ISU, but K-State replaced a retiring coach so the outgoing and incoming coach were recruiting the roster. Also no sanctions and the SEC >>>> B12.
Rebuilds do not have to be a "slow burn". I guess this is sort of an antiquated or football mindset carrying over, but they simply do not have to take long. Iowa St and Kansas St. COMPLETELY flipped their programs around in literally ONE season.
quote:He did that by buying players in a very sloppy way which is why the program got into this mess. Also he started with a full roster and no pending sanctions.
Wade took over an LSU program fresh off its worst SEC performance ever (2-16). Two years later LSU was 16-2 (sec record) and conference champ.
quote:The players didn't bolt the program and the coach was fired AFTER the sanctions were announced. Most of that tourney team were players Sean Miller recruited.
Thank God players aren't as terrified of sanctions as LSU fans. Arizona was under the same "cloud of sanctions" as LSU. They hired a new HC and all he did in year one was go 33-4, win the conference, and get a No. 1 seed in the NCAAT.
quote:It was completely reasonable considering LSU has played the better teams in the country for 8 straight games. We still have games against the bottom half of the league and I hope we can win half of those.
It was reasonable to expect LSU wouldn't be one of the top teams in the league. NO ONE expected that. But I'm sorry, it was NOT unreasonable to believe LSU would be competitive in the SEC far more times than not. Nearly halfway through conference play LSU is getting their doors blown off by nearly 20 ppg, struggling to score 50 ppg, with no signs of it potentially improving.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 12:13 pm to mmcgrath
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Don't know about ISU, but K-State replaced a retiring coach so the outgoing and incoming coach were recruiting the roster. Also no sanctions and the SEC >>>> B12.
This post alone invalidates all credibility for the following comments. First, K-State's coach "retired" in name only. He was completing his 3 straight losing season was allowed to "retire" (i.e. he was going to be fired if he didn't). In his "retirement" speech he specifically said he wanted to coach again. Doesn't sound like much of a "retirement". He was going to be fired, but was allowed to exit gracefully.
Jerome Tang, a Baylor assistant coach was the new hire. He wasn't recruiting the roster before he was hired. And the former coach, Bruce Weber, wasn't recruiting the roster either. TEN players from the KSU team last season left the program. One graduated and 9 transferred. Only 2 players from last year's team returned. That's LESS than LSU. The new HC had to completely revamp the roster with transfers and a couple of HS signees. And he had LESS time to do it given he was hired after McMahon.
Kansas St. is currently ranked #5 and leads the Big 12.
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and the SEC >>>> B12.
This is the most laughable comment of all. The Big 12 has been the toughest conference in America for the last 6 years, and among the toughest for several years prior to that. It has LONG been ranked above the SEC in conference RPI. This ain't football.
The concern over sanctions might be the most overblown narrative I've ever seen. First, it is highly doubtful the LSU program gets hit with significant sanctions. LSU is going to throw Wade under the bus and the IARP has already shown a propensity to not punish coaches/players who were not involved in the alleged wrongdoing. Second, the players don't care about the "threat of sanctions" even a fraction of what the fans care. These guys want two things: NIL money and the opportunity to get on the court immediately in a system that showcases their ability so they can move on from college to the professional ranks ASAP.
I have never said McMahon should be fired after this season. But acting like him taking over this program is akin to when Brady took over after Brown is ridiculous. The landscape of college basketball is FAR different than it was then. The point being that landscape allows the right coach to "rebuild" at a faster rate than at anytime in the history of the sport. And McMahon, just like all new major conf. hires should be held to that standard.
Posted on 1/23/23 at 12:26 pm to Big4SALTbro
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Big4SALTbro
RE-frickING-TARD. Dumbest human being I’ve ever seen on this board and that’s saying something.
We went from Alleva disaster to 3 out of 4 major sports programs being ranked in the top 5. Baseball is #1, women’s basketball is #3, football will be top 5.
But yea, average to below average AD because Will Wade made the basketball program radioactive
fricking moronPosted on 1/23/23 at 1:39 pm to richbad
He's going to have to let him ride it out for a while until our sanctions go away, even though I don't think we have any. We are gonna have to suck for a while before we get better. Just what is gonna have to happen. It's nature
Posted on 1/23/23 at 1:57 pm to mmcgrath
Yes - could easily see this season with at least another 3 seasons and bottom cellar dwellers will change nothing.
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