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How did Les always do so well in opening games?
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:45 am
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:45 am
As flawed as he was, his teams always came ready to play week one minus 2016 when he was already a dead man walking. How do you think he did it?
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:46 am to bdavids09
Because he ran like 5 plays to perfect execution rather than 40 plays to halfway decent execution.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:48 am to bdavids09
Les gets crapped on but he was a very good coach until he did not change with the times. Saban saw what was happening in the game and changed. Miles failed and became a relic.
But, He had the team prepared and mentally and physically tough.
But, He had the team prepared and mentally and physically tough.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:50 am to bdavids09
i remember his teams getting after the opposing offense..they we're bullies...the defense i've seen the last two years, we are soft and scared
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:51 am to bdavids09
Les teams did not quit until after the Bama loss.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:51 am to bdavids09
He did have a great record in openers and out of conference games but his teams laid down against mediocre to bad Ole Miss and/or Arkansas teams every year instead
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:52 am to bdavids09
He walked into a program that was a ferrari and maintained it for the most part, thats how.
Kelly didnt have that.
If you ask me, it was a miracle we were as close as we were last year to florida st considering all the turnover, additions, subtractions
Kelly didnt have that.
If you ask me, it was a miracle we were as close as we were last year to florida st considering all the turnover, additions, subtractions
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:52 am to bdavids09
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How do you think he did it?
Music in the locker room
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:52 am to classicgold
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Because he ran like 5 plays to perfect execution rather than 40 plays to halfway decent execution.
1. Dive right
2. Dive left
3. Toss dive right
4. Toss dive left
5. Hail Mary and or play-action Hail Mary
Honorable mention - short side option
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 8:54 am
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:54 am to bdavids09
Les had great talent on defense and let his elite coordinator do their thing. Les tinkered too much with offense.
That's the biggest difference between CBK and Les. Les was involved where CBK is not... both are equally as stubborn apparently.
That's the biggest difference between CBK and Les. Les was involved where CBK is not... both are equally as stubborn apparently.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:54 am to josh336
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If you ask me, it was a miracle we were as close as we were last year to florida st considering all the turnover, additions, subtractions
FSU was not a good team last year

Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:55 am to bdavids09
Best 3 opening opponents were Wisconsin, Oregon, and North Carolina who had about 10 players suspended.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:58 am to bdavids09
Les Miles was a good coach.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:58 am to bdavids09
Starts with Jimmie's snd joes. Say what you want about Les but we were a mainstay in top 5 recruiting with him and he closed like a monster.
If you have superior athletes you can typically beat teams without an overly
Complicated scheme.
Les wanted to control the clock, keep his defense fresh and squeeze the life out of the game.
Only thing you can really do about Keon Coleman bodying your DBs is to get better DBs.
The plays were there to be made, we didn't make them.
Also he didn't continually give guys chances if the fumbled/dropped passes.I highly doubt Kyren Lacey would have gotten any more snaps at the first drop if Les was the coach.
If you have superior athletes you can typically beat teams without an overly
Complicated scheme.
Les wanted to control the clock, keep his defense fresh and squeeze the life out of the game.
Only thing you can really do about Keon Coleman bodying your DBs is to get better DBs.
The plays were there to be made, we didn't make them.
Also he didn't continually give guys chances if the fumbled/dropped passes.I highly doubt Kyren Lacey would have gotten any more snaps at the first drop if Les was the coach.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:09 am to bdavids09
Because he had his team mentally ready. Maybe the BIG CAT drill needs to come back to separate the men from the boys?
Right now, LSU looks tentative and far from being close to physical dominance against the player across from you.
Right now, LSU looks tentative and far from being close to physical dominance against the player across from you.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:11 am to bdavids09
Because he was an old school hard arse. He worked them until they got it right. If he had hired the right offensive coordinator and left him alone he'd probably still be the coach today. The game changed but he refused to change with it.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:11 am to bdavids09
Les was notorious for long and physically demanding practices. That definitely had some downside. But LSU was often ready for the physicality to start the season whereas opponents who took a different approach may not have been.
Kelly takes the approach of not being as physical (i.e. full contact) in preseason camp. The reason for that is obvious. You don't want to wear out your players and have multiple key injuries before the season even starts. But, the downside could be your guys are not fully prepared for the significant increase in physicality that comes in an opening game vs. a good team.
A co-worker yesterday was mentioning he spoke with Gordy Rush in the days after the game. One thing Rush mentioned is that he was speaking with some FSU staffers/coaches before the game Sunday and they mentioned how they were going full contact every other day for appx. two weeks prior to the LSU game in order to get ready. LSU didn't do that because that's not Kelly's approach. I think everyone would agree FSU was the more physical team on Sunday. Is there a correlation between that and how both teams chose to prepare? Maybe. But I think that's probably why you saw Les's teams be physically ready to go in game one. (O wasn't as physical in preseason camp as Les either).
Again, that's not to say one approach is better than the other. Limping to the finish because your guys are physically exhausted isn't ideal either. But if you are going to play top competition to start the season maybe the approach is to be a bit more physical in practice than you may be if you were playing a "buy game"
Kelly takes the approach of not being as physical (i.e. full contact) in preseason camp. The reason for that is obvious. You don't want to wear out your players and have multiple key injuries before the season even starts. But, the downside could be your guys are not fully prepared for the significant increase in physicality that comes in an opening game vs. a good team.
A co-worker yesterday was mentioning he spoke with Gordy Rush in the days after the game. One thing Rush mentioned is that he was speaking with some FSU staffers/coaches before the game Sunday and they mentioned how they were going full contact every other day for appx. two weeks prior to the LSU game in order to get ready. LSU didn't do that because that's not Kelly's approach. I think everyone would agree FSU was the more physical team on Sunday. Is there a correlation between that and how both teams chose to prepare? Maybe. But I think that's probably why you saw Les's teams be physically ready to go in game one. (O wasn't as physical in preseason camp as Les either).
Again, that's not to say one approach is better than the other. Limping to the finish because your guys are physically exhausted isn't ideal either. But if you are going to play top competition to start the season maybe the approach is to be a bit more physical in practice than you may be if you were playing a "buy game"
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:12 am to bdavids09
Here are the opponents
2005 - ASU (7-5)
2006 - ULL
2007 Miss St (8-5)
2008 FCS App St
2009 Washington (5-7)
2010 UNC (8-5)
2011 Oregon (12-2)
2012 North Texas
2013 TCU (4-8)
2014 Wisc (11-3)
2015 MSU (9-4)
2016 Wisc Loss
Combination of a few things.
1. he had some really good teams. we had a ton of talent and he fielded mostly great teams or a decade.
2. we only played 4 P5 teams with more than 8 wins. he was 3-1 in those games and he beat a very good Wisc team in 2014 and a elite Oregon team in 2011
I think we need to admit this is the weakest our program has been since 1999. the attrition from the 2018-2020 classes was insane.
2005 - ASU (7-5)
2006 - ULL
2007 Miss St (8-5)
2008 FCS App St
2009 Washington (5-7)
2010 UNC (8-5)
2011 Oregon (12-2)
2012 North Texas
2013 TCU (4-8)
2014 Wisc (11-3)
2015 MSU (9-4)
2016 Wisc Loss
Combination of a few things.
1. he had some really good teams. we had a ton of talent and he fielded mostly great teams or a decade.
2. we only played 4 P5 teams with more than 8 wins. he was 3-1 in those games and he beat a very good Wisc team in 2014 and a elite Oregon team in 2011
I think we need to admit this is the weakest our program has been since 1999. the attrition from the 2018-2020 classes was insane.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 9:21 am
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:13 am to bdavids09
Les was a winner. His state all of a sudden stopped producing QB's and Nick Saban going to Bama really hurt the program. Add in all the back stabbing because of the snake Joe Alleva and the perfect storm occurred.
Les was rarely outcoached. 1/9 is an example. Of course the game earlier in the year Les gave Saban a coaching clinic.
Contrast that w/ Coach O who was outcoached almost every big game at the end. And even Brian Kelly has been outcoached several times already.
Les had his issues and it was time that LSU found a coach that could recruit and develop a QB, but he didnt last 12 years in the SEC west by being the coach most think he wwas. In fact, who has lasted 12 years with the same team in this league in the last 25 years?

Les was rarely outcoached. 1/9 is an example. Of course the game earlier in the year Les gave Saban a coaching clinic.
Contrast that w/ Coach O who was outcoached almost every big game at the end. And even Brian Kelly has been outcoached several times already.
Les had his issues and it was time that LSU found a coach that could recruit and develop a QB, but he didnt last 12 years in the SEC west by being the coach most think he wwas. In fact, who has lasted 12 years with the same team in this league in the last 25 years?

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