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Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:46 pm to tiger_nutz
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I’m a teacher so I don’t make enough money to wager anything. If I had money I’d bet you whatever you wanted
So what facts make you so confident?
Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:47 pm to GumboPot
Wade was talking about paying a player. Any reasonable person can't say otherwise. What we don't know yet is if any money changed hands. And we may never know. Remember Cam Newton ?
Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:53 pm to tiger81
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Wade was talking about paying a player. Any reasonable person can't say otherwise. What we don't know yet is if any money changed hands. And we may never know. Remember Cam Newton ?
I really need you to show me proof of paying a player. This is directly from the source:
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The tape does not reference any specifics about the “offer,” if the particulars of the “offer” violated NCAA rules, if the player and/or his mother ever knew of the “offer” or if anyone accepted whatever the “offer” was.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 9:53 pm to GumboPot
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So what facts make you so confident?
Literally everything that has happened so far. The man is not coaching one of the best LSU teams in years during their tournament run. You’d think if he knew he was innocent he’d be at Joe’s office first thing to tell him there was nothing to worry about so he could be a part of it...but here we are.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:00 pm to tiger_nutz
Or he can be an FBI inromant.
Or he could potentially place himself into a perjury trap by disscussing the manner with the NCAA at this time.
Or the NCAA may end up as a tangential defendant in the FBI/SDNY’s on going investigation.
There are a number of issues that could happen that we can’t fully understand.
One thing we do know that by not talking about the manner until the NY trial is complete it not only protects Wade but it potentially protects LSU.
Or he could potentially place himself into a perjury trap by disscussing the manner with the NCAA at this time.
Or the NCAA may end up as a tangential defendant in the FBI/SDNY’s on going investigation.
There are a number of issues that could happen that we can’t fully understand.
One thing we do know that by not talking about the manner until the NY trial is complete it not only protects Wade but it potentially protects LSU.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:02 pm to LouBega
Here are the questions everyone should be asking:
What Should Alleva have Known?
What new did Alleva learn from the Yahoo Article that justified suspending Wade?
If Alleva should have known more than the reporter at Yahoo, then Alleva needs to be fired for cause.
(The standard to fire ALLEVA for cause, per his contract, is "should have known")
What Should Alleva have Known?
What new did Alleva learn from the Yahoo Article that justified suspending Wade?
If Alleva should have known more than the reporter at Yahoo, then Alleva needs to be fired for cause.
(The standard to fire ALLEVA for cause, per his contract, is "should have known")
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:05 pm to GumboPot
ok man. Whatever helps you handle itPosted on 3/27/19 at 10:08 pm to DthVllyDud
Common sense tells me some things...if Wade was totally innocent, he"d scream it from the mountain tops. He can't. He's on tape.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:10 pm to GumboPot
Left one out.....another possibility.....he screwed up and wasn't prepared to talk.
This post was edited on 3/27/19 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:10 pm to DthVllyDud
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What new did Alleva learn from the Yahoo Article that justified suspending Wade?
Alleva is a puppet. He is not making decisions. The compliance department made their recommendations to both F King and Alleva and they recommend the suspension to show “intuitional control” and F King agreed and instructed Alleva to suspend Wade when he rejected the meeting with the NCAA rep and without his attorney present.
Is a CYA move.
Compliance departments are very important parts of large intuitions but they are not the end all be all. Executives need to make decisions in a fuller context. That was not done on March 8th.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:15 pm to tiger_nutz
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ok man. Whatever helps you handle it
Just trying to move the ball forward in a positive direction. The more people pushing the ball in that direction the better.
This post was edited on 3/27/19 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:17 pm to GumboPot
You don't think the higher ups have already heard the tapes... the NCAA also... to be honest ... the meeting was probably just to fire him outright... the day after the last game Will will be fired... just don't want to upset the kids on this run now
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:19 pm to Madking
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LSU then changed the meeting and rescheduled it so that the NCAA could be present. LSU also said Wade wouldn’t be allowed to have his lawyers at the meeting.
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Wade had and still has every intention of meeting with his bosses they’re the ones holding this up by insisting that the NCAA be present.
This was LSU's meeting. LSU (the employer) decides when, where, and who is invited to ANY meeting they REQUIRE an employee to attend. What part of WW = employee and LSU = employer do you not understand? WW cannot dictate (to his employer) ANY of these parameters.
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Wade cannot give the NCAA any information about this case without altering the case and possibly damaging it beyond repair
WW can speak to anyone about anything. There is no legal mandate about this that pertains to WW. WW and his lawyer are attempting some "slight of hand" by conflating his potential appearance as a witness for the defense and answering questions about his contract with his employer (and the NCAA). WW has no legal issues with the FBI/this federal court case. If he did, he would be a defendant. What WW is (allegedly) on tape saying is not illegal. It is potentially in violation of his LSU contract and NCAA rules (neither of which you go to jail for). WW's refusal to meet with LSU & the NCAA (as he is required to do by contract, that he signed) makes him look guilty of something quite bad. If WW is innocent, meet with your employer and say that (would have no effect on a federal court case). If WW did something wrong, meet with your employer and explain (would have no effect on a federal court case). What is WW afraid of? Is he worried that his comments to LSU/NCAA will make someone in a federal court case look more or less guilty of something? If WW has information about the guilt or innocence of someone, he should be willing to share that with the FBI, police, etc. What is WW (and his lawyer) afraid of? Could it be that WW was hoping to slide his meeting with LSU/NCAA until after the tournament and if he performed well (possibly Final Four or better) he could use that as ammunition (public opinion) to help save his job? i.e. "Yea, I know I made some big mistakes but you really can't fire me because I took our team to the final four."
Just a thought...because much of this junk between WW and LSU simply does not make sense.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:20 pm to glorymanutdtiger
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No one is defending. People are asking to wait for the trial to be finished and know the whole story before making knee jerk reaction to appease media.
No. That’s not it. Be honest. We all know WW fricked us and will put us on probation. And it’s just win this shite now and deal with more years of probation later.
That’s all it comes down to. Win now. frick the program. That’s what this board wants.
The administration is protecting the program. Not 2018-19 LSU basketball season.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:22 pm to tiger81
"Wade screaming from the mountain tops" Has nothing to do with "What Should Alleva have known?"
What is the Standard for Alleva?
His contract states he can be fired for cause if he "should have known."
What did Alleva know? when did he know it? And regardless of what he did know, what should he have known given the Oct. 16th publication?
What is the Standard for Alleva?
His contract states he can be fired for cause if he "should have known."
What did Alleva know? when did he know it? And regardless of what he did know, what should he have known given the Oct. 16th publication?
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:24 pm to lepdagod
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You don't think the higher ups have already heard the tapes
100% no. They are classified. And it’s my understanding that particular tape with many other tapes were thrown out by the judge, thus the reason the Dawkins defense released selected snippets of the tape to Pat Forde to taint the jury outside of the court (which is illegal but hard to prove who leaked).
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the NCAA also
No.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:24 pm to kciDAtaE
The only hope in all this is that other schools are on those tapes. NCAA will have a hard time making us the scapegoat. It should be all or none.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:27 pm to tiger81
Don't disagree with you at all about Alleva. Hard to see how he survives this.
Posted on 3/27/19 at 10:28 pm to Adajax
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Wade's conversation with Dawkins was captured
We don't know how many conversations between WW and Dawkins/parents of LSU players and Dawkins/LSU assistants and Dawkins/etc. have been recorded.
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The FBI couldn't care less if coaches are paying players.
and this is why WW's lawyer is off base advising him not to speak with LSU.
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The NCAA is hoping to get some scraps from the FBI investigation, which they may never get.
Don't be so sure about "may never get."
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LSU has less than both of them
How do you know this? In these cases, there are usually "those who will talk." LSU probably has more info than we think.
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