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re: Honey Badger is a top __ lsu defensive player of all time
Posted on 7/24/25 at 11:19 am to Scoob
Posted on 7/24/25 at 11:19 am to Scoob
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I just looked up his numbers, he only had 2 seasons with 5 or more interceptions.
So?
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Look, he played on 4 teams. He was good with Arizona, but they let him go because he wanted too much after the first contract. If he's a guy you absolutely want to build around, that doesn't happen.
All-Decade team. The cardinals being cheap doesn’t have anything to do with that.
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One year in Houston, which was solid but not amazing. Then KC, again he was good enough to stay the starter. Yes he got his Super Bowl rings there, but that's on Mahomes, not the defense. After 4 years, he said he wanted to stay there.... they didn't even offer him a new contract, so he came to the Saints.
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I'm just of the opinion that if you're HoF good, your team will fight like hell to resign you, or at least trade you to get something back out of the deal. He filled the role and was solid. There's a difference, and that's not an insult to him. You shouldn't make HoF unless you're legendary, not just "good enough".
Man, imagine the conversation with Brady and Manning when you tell them they aren’t legendary because the Pats and Colts let them walk away.
You really need to brush up on what it means to make an All-Decade team in the NFL.
That goes way beyond being “solid” or “good enough”. It means he was one of the 22 best defensive players in the NFL for an entire decade.
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It’s funny because his numbers are half a notch below Troy Polamalu, who’s considered one of the greatest defensive players of all time. Weird, huh?
Don’t gloss over this either. Polamalu is a 1st ballot HOFer and Mathieu is in the discussion with him statistically.
This post was edited on 7/24/25 at 11:23 am
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 11:34 am to geaux2019
He’s 1. Name another guy as impactful as he was in nearly any lsu game he played in. If it’s about making impact plays that changed the game then he has no peers at LSU. He was 1 of 1.
Posted on 7/24/25 at 12:03 pm to RB10
Fine, you can call him an NFL hall of famer. If he gets elected, great.
I don't think he made that level of impact in the NFL. At no point in his career was he the focal point of the defense.
As I also said, he's one of the best ever while AT LSU, and his 2011 season was the single best season for any defensive player. For him to translate that over to the NFL, he wouldn't be considered a marginal HoF player, he would be a lock along the lines of a Lawrence Taylor or a Reggie White. He's NOT that at the pro level.
In my opinion, the 2011 season puts him at that level for his college career.
I guess that's the distinction I'm making:
Tyrann Mathieu, 2011 version player, is a starter on my alltime NCAA defensive team. All colleges, all seasons. He was making highlight reel plays every damn game.
He's not anywhere near that in the NFL. He never approached the same level of play he did in college. He was a good player, and nothing to be ashamed of.
I don't think he made that level of impact in the NFL. At no point in his career was he the focal point of the defense.
As I also said, he's one of the best ever while AT LSU, and his 2011 season was the single best season for any defensive player. For him to translate that over to the NFL, he wouldn't be considered a marginal HoF player, he would be a lock along the lines of a Lawrence Taylor or a Reggie White. He's NOT that at the pro level.
In my opinion, the 2011 season puts him at that level for his college career.
I guess that's the distinction I'm making:
Tyrann Mathieu, 2011 version player, is a starter on my alltime NCAA defensive team. All colleges, all seasons. He was making highlight reel plays every damn game.
He's not anywhere near that in the NFL. He never approached the same level of play he did in college. He was a good player, and nothing to be ashamed of.
Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:30 pm to Scoob
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Scoob
No one is saying he was as good in the NFL. Not one person in the thread has said that.
Your assertion that he was “solid” or “good enough” in the NFL is the topic of our conversation, because it’s a stupid take.
Hope that helps.
Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:32 pm to scorb
I'm over 60 and while Casanova was an all-time great, NO PLAYER COULD SINGLE HANDEDLY CHANGE A GAME LIKE Mathieu did and could.
Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:38 pm to geaux2019
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I'll never forget watching the bowl game in 2010 against A&M. This is when I took real notice to he was. I was stoked for the 2011 season after that game.
I'll never forget watching the bowl game in 2010 against A&M. This is when I took real notice to he was. I was stoked for the 2011 season after that game.
This post was edited on 7/24/25 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:54 pm to geaux2019
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:39 pm to RB10
Ok, that's fine. He was solid and good enough in the NFL.
At no point did I consider him the top defender in the league, or the top secondary player, or the top safety. Nobody ever built a defense around him, or went out of their way to obtain or retain him.
That, in my own opinion, says he's not a HoF NFL player. He was good enough to play, to start. Not great to the point where he merits Hall of Fame. That criteria should be for elite guys that stand out, not simply a longtime starter.
If you choose to disagree, that's fine. No skin off my back.
At no point did I consider him the top defender in the league, or the top secondary player, or the top safety. Nobody ever built a defense around him, or went out of their way to obtain or retain him.
That, in my own opinion, says he's not a HoF NFL player. He was good enough to play, to start. Not great to the point where he merits Hall of Fame. That criteria should be for elite guys that stand out, not simply a longtime starter.
If you choose to disagree, that's fine. No skin off my back.
Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:47 pm to Scoob
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At no point did I consider him the top defender in the league, or the top secondary player, or the top safety. Nobody ever built a defense around him, or went out of their way to obtain or retain him.
All-Pro voters disagree with Internet user Scoob.
And I don't know what "going out of their way to obtain" a player means, but $91 million in career earnings tells me teams wanted him on the roster.
Posted on 7/24/25 at 3:11 pm to geaux2019
#1 Badger
#2 Glen Dorsey
#3 Patrick Peterson
#2 Glen Dorsey
#3 Patrick Peterson
Posted on 7/24/25 at 3:15 pm to ItTakesAThief
Plus even after he got kicked off the team, he is all LSU and has donated 1 million to LSU twice.
My favorite HB situation is when all the big Bama alums and fans I know in Mobile sheepishly approached me at high school games, telling me their kids really wanted an LSU honey badger shirt or jersey and they wanted to know how to get one. (I know it killed them to do that ) lol
My favorite HB situation is when all the big Bama alums and fans I know in Mobile sheepishly approached me at high school games, telling me their kids really wanted an LSU honey badger shirt or jersey and they wanted to know how to get one. (I know it killed them to do that ) lol
Posted on 7/24/25 at 3:49 pm to ItTakesAThief
He made so much of an impact that he was only here for 2 years AND got kicked off the team and he is still celebrated the way that he is now.
Pretty incredible.
Pretty incredible.
Posted on 7/24/25 at 4:01 pm to geaux2019
He was a superhuman out there for LSU. He made plays that no one in football but him could make.
#1
#1
Posted on 7/24/25 at 4:09 pm to geaux2019
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 4:09 pm to SmoothBox
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Not even close
Please elaborate
Without googling, he is a Super Bowl champ and an all decade player. Idk how many pro bowls, all pros etc but he has those as well, I’m sure.
Not that this is accounted for in HOF but at one point he was the highest paid safety in the nfl as well.
I think he has a good chance. Certainly better chance than “not even close”. Asinine comment
Posted on 7/24/25 at 4:23 pm to SEC Doctor
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All-Pro voters disagree with Internet user Scoob.
I don't think every all-pro selection should be in the Hall of Fame. Do you?
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And I don't know what "going out of their way to obtain" a player means
Ok, that's easy enough.
Did anyone trade for him? Did the teams that had him, resign him? In other words, was he coveted or considered a "must-have" guy?
Answer is: No.
Arizona drafted him in 2013. They released him after 2017 when he didn't take a pay cut.
2018, 1 yr contract in Houston. Didn't re-sign.
2019, signed a 3 yr deal with the Chiefs. Going into 2022, he publicly stated he wanted to resign with them. The Chiefs did not even offer him.
2022-2024, signed and played with the Saints, who at this point were floundering post-Brees, and retired.
He bounced around the league, 4 teams. Arizona wouldn't keep him unless he took a pay cut, and KC didn't even try to keep him once his contract ran out. I don't know the deal with Houston other than he only played a year there, but they clearly didn't outbid KC to keep him.
At least during the Saints years, he wasn't a target late to trade to a contender (like, for example, Lattimore going to Washington last year).
I don't see that as a HoF worthy career. To merit that, I'd say a player would be retained by his team as a valued asset; and/or traded for, as a final piece to improve the team for a run.
He was good enough to start where he was, but never good enough to be a priority to keep.
Make sense now?
Posted on 7/24/25 at 4:33 pm to Scoob
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Did anyone trade for him? Did the teams that had him, resign him? In other words, was he coveted or considered a "must-have" guy?
This is so stupid.
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I don't see that as a HoF worthy career. To merit that, I'd say a player would be retained by his team as a valued asset; and/or traded for, as a final piece to improve the team for a run. He was good enough to start where he was, but never good enough to be a priority to keep.
This is so stupid.
Posted on 7/24/25 at 6:00 pm to geaux2019
Patrick Petersen was better. He was a true lockdown corner and as good or better kick returner than TM.
Posted on 7/24/25 at 10:38 pm to The LGBM
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1970 3-0 loss (on the play before ND kicked their field goal) I would agree with you.
This is about a career of what should have been 4 time AA and everthing else he did just like Mathieu. Casanova DWARFED most DBs on that 2010 team much less 2011 when you saw him in the pics with them. Casanova was a boss. Even the brief stint was u real in the pros. Look at all pro and pro bowl selections.
Here is one right back at you, I never saw Casanova get abused by a TE like Mathieu did vs Bama TE and receivers in the national championship game in 2011, It was a bigger stage in an LSU friendly Dome. Call it what it is, dropping that INT still haunts him but I bet it doesn’t as much as 2011 for Mathieu. The 1970 team was really good ND only lost on thr road at South Bend 3-0 because of how well he played along with that Dline.
This post was edited on 7/24/25 at 11:51 pm
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