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re: Harris struggled with accuracy at the Manning Camp
Posted on 6/28/16 at 8:51 am to Old Money
Posted on 6/28/16 at 8:51 am to Old Money
He has got to be able to convert when it is 3rd down, and if he can't the next man up has to be in the game! Can't waste time this season, 'hoping' he is going to be more accurate. Do It, or move out of the way of this championship caliber team. I do believe having CC on the sidelines will help with in-game adjustments/reads, but you still have to execute the throws. If he can't do that, Etling needs to be on the field. Can't waste the opp to win a championship this season offers...
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Posted on 6/28/16 at 8:53 am to Guava Jelly
quote:Don't interfere with a glorious Rant melt.
The winners since JJ looked so fantastic in 2011:
Posted on 6/28/16 at 8:55 am to Guava Jelly
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Please, continue to tell me how this is indicative of talent, development or future success.
I never said accuracy make the qb great, but to be great, you have to have accuracy.
Problem with Harris is that he has proven accuracy problems on the field as well. So this isn't some one time challenge that he didn't do well in. There's a pattern and it's something to worry about
Posted on 6/28/16 at 8:56 am to therick711
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All things being equal, I'd rather our quarterback look good throwing a football. Why don't you prefer that outcome?
If he looked all-world throwing the football in this contest, I'd say it was as meaningless as I'm saying it is now.
Look at how current great QBs have performed to reinforce the notion that this contest is meaningless. Hell Andrew Luck struggled when he tried it (he lost to the mighty Collier Winters in 2011).
All things being equal, I'd rather the reports be sterling because absurd conversations like this one wouldn't exist. But again, using this as an indicator of talent or progress is ridiculous.
This post was edited on 6/28/16 at 8:57 am
Posted on 6/28/16 at 8:59 am to Guava Jelly
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All things being equal, I'd rather the reports be sterling because absurd conversations like this one wouldn't exist. But again, using this as an indicator of talent or progress is ridiculous.
Yes, but see, you are missing the point. You don't need this data point to be concerned about Harris' accuracy. It has been his Achilles since he's been here. What is the meaningful data point that makes you think he has become accurate?
Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:01 am to Guava Jelly
Bingo.
No different than the reports we will get in August by some joe blow who got to watch 10 minutes of the team warming up.
I think Harris just needs to progress a little and this team is going to the playoffs. I have hope that he will.
No different than the reports we will get in August by some joe blow who got to watch 10 minutes of the team warming up.
I think Harris just needs to progress a little and this team is going to the playoffs. I have hope that he will.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:01 am to Guava Jelly
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He just needs to be what Jake Coker was last year. Run the offense, don't turn the ball over, and make 1 or 2 plays downfield a game.
I don't know what Coker you watched play for Alabama but he played out of his mind late in the year. If we play again this year to just run the offense, don't turn the ball over and make 1 or 2 plays downfield it will be a repeat of last year all over again. Harris will have to be able to make the short to mid range throws and if he can't and is inaccurate we will be in trouble. We won't be able to beat the Alabama's, Ole Miss's and Arkansas's that can match up with our run physicality.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:03 am to Old Money
Oh god no
Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:03 am to therick711
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You don't need this data point to be concerned about Harris' accuracy. It has been his Achilles since he's been here. What is the meaningful data point that makes you think he has become accurate?
I've never discounted the notion that Harris has had accuracy issues. And I've never made the assertion that he has corrected those issues.
He definitely needs to bring the ball down a bit. He missed a lot high last season, even when he was rolling before his injury. He hangs a lot of WRs out to dry. All of these things certainly need to be addressed.
My point is, even if he has improved significantly, you won't be able to tell by basing your opinion on THIS contest. Because this contest has proven time and again that it isn't an accurate indicator of talent or progress.
In fact, the inverse seems to be true. More often the less talented quarterbacks are the ones who win it.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:05 am to TigerFanFromBama
This is what we saw last year. Hope he gets it fixed, if not, oh well.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:08 am to LesTiger
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I really could care less how Brandon Harris looks throwing to golf carts and high school kids as long as he shows up on Saturdays starting in Sept., nothing else matters.
You should, because this is symptomatic of his issues during the last 2 seasons. The reason why people load up the box on Fournette.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:08 am to sosaysmorvant
He was at 54% last year, imo he needs around 62-65% completion rate. 
Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:09 am to Guava Jelly
I went to the air it out thing at the camp.
Deshaun Watson hit 1 of 3 golf carts. means absolutely nothing. They are all farting around for that.
Now when the high school kids are running routes and they are throwing to them, it's a little different, but you still get kids who are slow as molasses and some that aren't even 5'6". Try throwing an 18 yard out to a 5'6" kid that runs a 5 flat 40. There was probably 4 or 5 decent receivers out of the 40 they had based on speed.
The Big12 QB's looked good though, Russell and Mayfield. Josh Rosen of UCLA looked good. Watson did. And one of the best arms out there was some cat from Holy Cross.
I can tell you one of the worst arms was Cooper Bateman from Ala frickin Bama. Out of the probably 10 balls he through maybe 1 or 2 was a nice spiral. He was throwing ducks all over the place. He sort of stood out he was so bad. Him and some other qb from a small school i don't remember, but that kid looked like he was about 5'8" at best, and is probably an option qb that doesn't throw. Bateman's deep balls looked like somethign from a crappy high school qb. A duck that went about 40 yards and was woefully underthrown to a slow high school kid.
I can say these guys looked good and these looked bad, and it really means nothing at all based off the 10-12 balls they through to high school kids and golf carts. For how bad the Bama QB looked, i'm sure he won't look that bad when we play them.
Deshaun Watson hit 1 of 3 golf carts. means absolutely nothing. They are all farting around for that.
Now when the high school kids are running routes and they are throwing to them, it's a little different, but you still get kids who are slow as molasses and some that aren't even 5'6". Try throwing an 18 yard out to a 5'6" kid that runs a 5 flat 40. There was probably 4 or 5 decent receivers out of the 40 they had based on speed.
The Big12 QB's looked good though, Russell and Mayfield. Josh Rosen of UCLA looked good. Watson did. And one of the best arms out there was some cat from Holy Cross.
I can tell you one of the worst arms was Cooper Bateman from Ala frickin Bama. Out of the probably 10 balls he through maybe 1 or 2 was a nice spiral. He was throwing ducks all over the place. He sort of stood out he was so bad. Him and some other qb from a small school i don't remember, but that kid looked like he was about 5'8" at best, and is probably an option qb that doesn't throw. Bateman's deep balls looked like somethign from a crappy high school qb. A duck that went about 40 yards and was woefully underthrown to a slow high school kid.
I can say these guys looked good and these looked bad, and it really means nothing at all based off the 10-12 balls they through to high school kids and golf carts. For how bad the Bama QB looked, i'm sure he won't look that bad when we play them.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:12 am to therick711
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You don't need this data point to be concerned about Harris' accuracy. It has been his Achilles since he's been here.
He has been the starter for one full year, as a sophomore might I add but you act like this is a problem he'll never be able to improve. You pessimists are so quick to write him off that you're losing sleep over some ridiculous drill that he wasn't accurate at hitting a fricking golf cart... oh yeah and it's June too.
You won't be thinking about this article at all by 9/3, maybe not even by next week.
I just think he has a lot of potential to improve and will do so for this year. If I'm wrong feel free to say I told ya so, but forgive me for being optimistic and not writing him off before the season starts
Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:15 am to Tiger4life306
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He has been the starter for one full year, as a sophomore might I add but you act like this is a problem he'll never be able to improve.
Pointing out it is his problem for two years isn't saying he'll never improve it. I'd prefer our sophomore quarterback not get our great receivers injured. I'd imagine they would appreciate that too.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:16 am to therick711
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competitions in the past. How about just performing well. That's all I want. He doesn't need to be first; just look good. That would be a good report to get.
But it isn't. That's what several people have posted. We've heard how great JJ was and then he regressed. For once we are hearing the opposite about our qbs. Maybe it is good he's gettimg criticism outside of LSU camp.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:16 am to TeddyPadillac
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Deshaun Watson hit 1 of 3 golf carts. means absolutely nothing. They are all farting around for that.
Now when the high school kids are running routes and they are throwing to them, it's a little different, but you still get kids who are slow as molasses and some that aren't even 5'6". Try throwing an 18 yard out to a 5'6" kid that runs a 5 flat 40. There was probably 4 or 5 decent receivers out of the 40 they had based on speed.
This is exactly the point. We're not talking about an accurate measure of talent or progress because the targets are nothing like what these QBs are accustomed to throwing to.
Again, Harris has had issues with his accuracy. But this contest isn't an accurate measure of improvement. All reports of it should be weighed with that in mind.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:16 am to therick711
It's a concern, without a doubt.
My biggest issue with BH has always been attitude & fire. I want to see leadership and grit more than anything else.
My biggest issue with BH has always been attitude & fire. I want to see leadership and grit more than anything else.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:18 am to Tiger4life306
I love how as the off season goes on people gain more optimism about the quarterback position. He'll be the same as last year, it's the same thing every year people.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 9:19 am to LSUTIGERS8181
quote:So he can't improve?
He'll be the same as last year
quote:No, it isn't.
it's the same thing every year people.
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