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re: Hannagriff *and now Moscona* going in dry about Alleva's handling of hire
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:02 pm to Deactived
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:02 pm to Deactived
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is very little buyout so you can get rid of him is very telling about this hire.
And when we buy him out because we want to replace him, you trust that the next search is going to be thorough and much better than this one?
I have no idea. I don't know who expressed interest during the process.
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Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:02 pm to Jester
Not melting. Its comical how bad the program looks right now.
I stopped being emotionally invested in football on 1/9.
I stopped being emotionally invested in football on 1/9.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Why is O's buyout so low?
Have the details of the contract even been released yet?
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:06 pm to Jester
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What? So you believe he and his agent had 0 negotiations with Texas before the day of the deal?
I'm sure they did. I'm a realist when it comes to matters like this.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I have no idea. I don't know who expressed interest during the process.
Or you know our people go out and target possible candidates and go from there.
Alleva and company had 2 months to search and you could argue a lot longer to at least get a list of possible guys considering Miles was on his way out.
The 2 choices were Herman and Fisher. Per Jester and the media, Texas was getting rid of Strong midseason so you know they were direct competition. Fisher is at a top 10 job so you know thats going to be a hard fight to get. With all this in mind, we didnt have anyone else on the list. How fricking incompetent is that?
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:10 pm to Topwater Trout
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Jimbo wanted too much and Herman wanted Texas so how is either of them not being here his fault exactly? Not expanding the search is on him but not Jimbo and Herman
And who told you this? Oh right, Ponamsky? Wonder why he would do that?
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:11 pm to Deactived
It's like me taking home a fat girl after only hitting on the two hottest girls that already had boyfriends. What about trying for the rest ofthe cute ones?
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:16 pm to Alt26
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. To get angry because those coaches used their significant leverage in the negotiations is asinine
This is where your little argument fails and I stopped reading. Herman was to be announced as LSU's head football coach within a day if not hours and his representative called Alleva and told him that the deal they had made was no longer valid. Alleva understandably upset told them to frick off. Herman is the person you should be angry at not Alleva. Herman's lack of integrity is what has caused this. There are a lot of despicable people showing their asses on this board.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:17 pm to Deactived
I have no idea if O is going to work out and be a great hire. I see the potential. But here's my issue with LSU and JA.
As a fan of CFB, and from observing other major programs year in and year out. Whenever they decide to pull the trigger, it's done quickly, and the new coach is in, with very little fanfare. Remember UGA last year? Richt, a great coach if judged by W-L, and long time coach, was let go, and within a day or so, new coach in place. No changing their minds. Just pull the trigger, get your person, name him, and move on.
More often thank not, that seems like the way it's done. All the pieces are in place before you pull the trigger. But with LSU? First, a total cluster by the leaked Miles firing. Then, announcing he's staying. All while talking with Jimbo agent.
Then, this year, you pull the trigger on Miles with no other coach secured beyond a reasonable doubt? I was convinced when Miles was rightfully canned midseason, surely they already had a firm commitment from the new guy. It was just letting the season play out. But now, I realize it was nothing like that. JA had no real plan. He had ideas, but nothing sure. He fired mid season, then started from scratch trying to figure things out.
How does that happen?
As a fan of CFB, and from observing other major programs year in and year out. Whenever they decide to pull the trigger, it's done quickly, and the new coach is in, with very little fanfare. Remember UGA last year? Richt, a great coach if judged by W-L, and long time coach, was let go, and within a day or so, new coach in place. No changing their minds. Just pull the trigger, get your person, name him, and move on.
More often thank not, that seems like the way it's done. All the pieces are in place before you pull the trigger. But with LSU? First, a total cluster by the leaked Miles firing. Then, announcing he's staying. All while talking with Jimbo agent.
Then, this year, you pull the trigger on Miles with no other coach secured beyond a reasonable doubt? I was convinced when Miles was rightfully canned midseason, surely they already had a firm commitment from the new guy. It was just letting the season play out. But now, I realize it was nothing like that. JA had no real plan. He had ideas, but nothing sure. He fired mid season, then started from scratch trying to figure things out.
How does that happen?
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:19 pm to bencoleman
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. Herman is the person you should be angry at not Alleva.
Its asinine to be upset with Herman for wanting to talk to both sides.
Imagine if we recruited like this.
"You commit right now or our offer is off the table forever. Don't even think about anywhere else!"
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:22 pm to Fus0623
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Wow they are ranking the SEC coaches. Orgeron is near the bottom. Not even top 10
It does not appear that he will be paid like one, so let's see if he earns his money next year. Many on this site complained that Miles and staff did not deliver a product commensurate with compensation, and CEO has not had a chance to demonstrate that as the LSU head coach. We are all entitled to our opinion right now, pro or con, but we cannot validate it one way or another until this time next year.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:23 pm to CBandits82
It cracks me up how many LSU fans believe all the spin from LSU.
Don't be mad at Alleva, be mad at Jimbo, Herman, etc
News flash everyone, this is big business. Nothing is final until its inked and nothing is dead until its buried. The bottom line is as an AD you identify and fight to get your guy. It comes with the job.
Produce results, not excuses.
Don't be mad at Alleva, be mad at Jimbo, Herman, etc
News flash everyone, this is big business. Nothing is final until its inked and nothing is dead until its buried. The bottom line is as an AD you identify and fight to get your guy. It comes with the job.
Produce results, not excuses.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:23 pm to bencoleman
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Herman was to be announced as LSU's head football coach within a day if not hours and his representative called Alleva and told him that the deal they had made was no longer valid.
Sounds like you're speculating and elaborating to me.
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Alleva understandably upset
Alleva sounds like am idiot if he thought a deal was done before something was executed.
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Herman's lack of integrity
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:24 pm to Topwater Trout
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Jimbo wanted too much and Herman wanted Texas so how is either of them not being here his fault exactly? Not expanding the search is on him but not Jimbo and Herman
ill agree with this.. Herman wasnt coming, he wanted TExas, he just wanted more money from them.. I would have offered 5.5 when he asked for 6...take it or leave it and he has 12 hours to respond.. im sure he would have signed with UT anyway but I would have made UT spend a million more.. The fact that he didnt give Gundy or Fedora or Chad Morris a chance bothers the hell out of me..hopefully they are still around in a few years when we do this again..
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:25 pm to adamb2151
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Than Alleva should have never made those two his top two candidates. That means his search was a fail from the beginning because he had an unrealistic plan. He should have had other candidates lined up and had interviews.
This....I'm so tired of hearing the we don't have a top 5 program because they didn't want to come argument. Look at all of the SEC coaches and tell me one coach that left a prominent job to move laterally? Florida St is a top 10 job just as LSU is... It's a big deal to uproot family even for a raise.
The Herman situation was an anomaly... Alleva was on the right road he just picked the wrong stop. Texas was probably the one school that had the advantage over us and they just so happened to be looking for a coach too. He should have been hired last year.
Other than that we should have interviewed every lesser prestige school's coach until we found one that best fit our needs...there were no formal interviews or official coaching search done... period. Our admins threw a bunch of money at one guy and met another guy in a hotel room the day before his last game (no sauce here just speculating).
Pathetic Joe... you'll be judged on this hire so you may want to start sending feelers out.
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:25 pm to bencoleman
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Herman is the person you should be angry at not Alleva. Herman's lack of integrity is what has caused this.
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There are a lot of despicable people showing their asses on this board.
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bencoleman
how ironic
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:30 pm to LSUJuice
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It's like me taking home a fat girl after only hitting on the two hottest girls that already had boyfriends. What about trying for the rest ofthe cute ones?
Well, you still only had a legitimate shot at the fat girl, so focusing elsewhere is just a waste of time and energy.
This thread is about the coaching search, though. Start a thread about your sex life on the OT.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:31 pm to LSURulzSEC
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no way do I think CEO will be as bad as JJ.
If Orgeron is as bad as JJ he should be fired in the first year! Orgeron inherits a LOADED team along with the fact that it is easy to recruit football players to LSU not so much on the basketball side. So if Orgeron comes anywhere near how bad JJ has been he needs to be let go immediately. Matter of fact if Orgeron doesn't win 10 games next year, that includes the bowl game, I will be extremely disappointed and will start looking for a place to jump off the bandwagon.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:34 pm to bencoleman
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Herman's lack of integrity is what has caused this.
Herman's lack of integrity caused JOe to panic and rush to hire O without doing due diligence? That's a proposition i cant get behind. sorry man.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You think Texas decided to fire Charlie and had Herman wrapped within a couple hours?
I would really like to know. I think Texas fired Strong before the TCU game and the players knew it. The Herman to LSU rumor put out by his agent or a Texas booster (encouraged by the agent) to put the pressure on UT. I don't think Herman was wrapped up in a couple of hours but 12 hours - sure I can see that.
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