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re: Gregg Penn is transparent
Posted on 10/28/24 at 11:38 am to TopWaterTiger
Posted on 10/28/24 at 11:38 am to TopWaterTiger
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You think many SEC coaches prep for Swann or Collins?
No but its not apples to apples. Nuss has been arguably the best QB in the SEC so the chances of him getting benched is next to zero. Wiegman on the other hand was struggling a bit and Reed had already played and played well while Weigman was injured. Much greater chance that if we dominate Weigman they might bring in the backup. Maybe our coaches had too little faith in our guys and didn't think we would dominate their offense enough to get the starter benched? Massive oversight.
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Posted on 10/28/24 at 11:39 am to grizzlylongcut
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How does that even happen That is inexcusable, honestly.
All of you Xbox dynasty all stars are hilarious
Posted on 10/28/24 at 11:41 am to skullhawk
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they get four two hour practices and a walk through. How much time do you suggest they devote do gameplanning for the backup qb? It wouldn't have been as bad without the short fields.
You’re wasting your time
The same people bitching about the lack of prep done for Reed would be the some ones here absolutely losing their minds if Weigman throws for 330 & 3TDs because we spent too much time preparing for a backup
Posted on 10/28/24 at 11:42 am to Nutriaitch
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the total number of snaps he has taken from a healthy Weigman in a competitive game - ZERO. no coaching staff anywhere in America is dedicating any significant practice time preparing for a backup that does not play when the starter is healthy.
You need to realize that the collective brain trust on TD would have completely shut down Mr Reed. This is inexcusable!!!
Posted on 10/28/24 at 11:47 am to Nutriaitch
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the total number of snaps he has taken from a healthy Weigman in a competitive game - ZERO. no coaching staff anywhere in America is dedicating any significant practice time preparing for a backup that does not play when the starter is healthy.
With the very limited practice time available in college football, this is 100% truth. No team is practicing for a freshman backup QB who hasn’t played in a month. The analysts may spend some time on him, but the team isn’t running reps on him. It’s a great excuse and something for everyone to get mad at, but it’s also objectively stupid and lazy to do so.
Also, what good are adjustments if the players blow their assignments, or can’t keep contain on a guy who’s a lot faster than they are? How many coaches game planned for Jayden Daniels and set up guys to spy him? How many of those spies actually held up in their roles last year? Reed doesn’t have anything close to Daniels’ arm, but he’s got that kind of speed and acceleration. Even with a week to prepare, without Perkins, we don’t have a guy at LB who can hope to stay with him. We saw Burns try from the Star last Saturday and that didn’t work. Maybe Jackson or Toviano could sub in for him, but who knows if they would be up for it, either. Reed was a real matchup nightmare for this year’s defense. Even more than Milroe will be in two weeks, as dangerous as he is.
This post was edited on 10/28/24 at 11:49 am
Posted on 10/28/24 at 12:03 pm to Nutriaitch
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the total number of snaps he has taken from a healthy Weigman in a competitive game - ZERO.
no coaching staff anywhere in America is dedicating any significant practice time preparing for a backup that does not play when the starter is healthy.
What should you plan for if your defensive scheme works and completely shuts down the starter and their backup is a seasoned SEC QB.
Reed this year vs SEC prior to LSU game:
Florida - Pass 11-17 178Yds 2TD's / Rush 83Yds 1TD
Arkansas - Pass 11-22 163Yds. 2 TD's / Rush 13Yds 1TD
Weigman was was not setting the league on fire prior to our game. There's no reason to not cover the fact Reed could enter the game if our game plan was working on Weigman.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 12:10 pm to DRock88
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I thought they might start Reed.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 12:12 pm to GA Tiger
So, the coaching staff put a 0 next to the odds of the backup QB coming in?
Well, OKaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay...
Well, OKaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay...
Posted on 10/28/24 at 12:17 pm to GA Tiger
Would the preparation for Reed have been that different from what they did to prepare for Green at Arkansas the week before?
Posted on 10/28/24 at 12:29 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Nuss has been arguably the best QB in the SEC so the chances of him getting benched is next to zero. Wiegman on the other hand was struggling a bit
over previous 2 games:
Weigman: 33/47 (70.2%) 493 yds ; 1 TD ; 2 int
Nuss: 45/85 (52.9%) 570 yds ; 3 TD ; 2 int
70.2% completions = struggling a bit
52.9% completions = arguably the best in the SEC
Nuss had a great last drive of the 4th qtr and OT against Ole Miss.
the other 7+ quarters of those 2 games he was 40/72 (55.5%) 479 yds ; 1 TD ; 1 Int
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Much greater chance that if we dominate Weigman they might bring in the backup.
based on all zero times he'd been taken out for the backup so far this year?
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Maybe our coaches had too little faith in our guys and didn't think we would dominate their offense enough to get the starter benched? Massive oversight.
Weigman hadn't been benched all year for Reed.
We haven't benched a starting QB all year*.
but in THIS game, our staff should have prepared for both of those trends to completely reverse themselves?
*So Carolina replaced their starter due to injury, not us dominating. Every other backup that has set foot on the field against LSU was in garbage time when subs routinely play to close out a game.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 12:48 pm to NOBigEZ
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Weigman was was not setting the league on fire prior to our game. There's no reason to not cover the fact Reed could enter the game if our game plan was working on Weigman.
Weigman's 2 games since returning from injury vs Nuss' last 2 games
Weigman: 33/47 (70.2%) 493 yds ; 1 TD ; 2 int
Nuss: 45/85 (52.9%) 570 yds ; 3 TD ; 2 int
and again, let's be real. Nuss' numbers are propped up big time by the last drive plus OT against Ole Miss.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 1:52 pm to GA Tiger
It is not shocking because you don't have time to prepare 2 game plans and prepare for 2 QBs.
What is shocking is that the Coaching staff didn't have a small scouting report and game plan package to talk through on the sideline when Reed was inserted.
It is very typical to prepare the week for 1 QB but the Coaching staff to have the scouting report handy to talk through some plays/concepts to adjust to Reed once inserted when they get to the sideline. That has actually happened in past games with a few DCs.
Kelly's answer after the game kind of illustrated that they didn't do that because they played similar QB styles the past two weeks and that was concerning but again the defense was put in terrible spots by our offense in the late 3rd and 4th quarters.
1 easy adjustment was having the end crash and sending the nickel or LB on a blitz to replace the end in contain/QB responsibility on the zone read to eliminate the QB run. That is 1 way to quickly scheme something up but they might have had other thoughts. But again this is one of three reasons why Kelly gets damn near 100% of the blame.
What is shocking is that the Coaching staff didn't have a small scouting report and game plan package to talk through on the sideline when Reed was inserted.
It is very typical to prepare the week for 1 QB but the Coaching staff to have the scouting report handy to talk through some plays/concepts to adjust to Reed once inserted when they get to the sideline. That has actually happened in past games with a few DCs.
Kelly's answer after the game kind of illustrated that they didn't do that because they played similar QB styles the past two weeks and that was concerning but again the defense was put in terrible spots by our offense in the late 3rd and 4th quarters.
1 easy adjustment was having the end crash and sending the nickel or LB on a blitz to replace the end in contain/QB responsibility on the zone read to eliminate the QB run. That is 1 way to quickly scheme something up but they might have had other thoughts. But again this is one of three reasons why Kelly gets damn near 100% of the blame.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 2:36 pm to skullhawk
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I'm still not sure why you can't get your guys together and coach up a fix in game. It's a numbers game. Get more guys crashing the mesh. Make Reed beat you with his arm.
This. I don't fault them for focusing on the starter. But having zero amount of flexibility or adaption is piss poor based on how big this staff is and how much they are paid. I kept thinking they would spy Reed and make him throw every down. Hell, just try something different after the first few big runs.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 5:00 pm to Nutriaitch
The fact of this matter is that our defensive game plan was making Weigman struggle and ineffective. We knew A&M had a backup who flashed hot in his two SEC starts. An effective game plan should take into account all possible outcomes. We were not prepared to defend against their second quarterback when our defense made it necessary for them to make a change.
Posted on 10/28/24 at 5:08 pm to grizzlylongcut
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wtf
How does that even happen
That is inexcusable, honestly.
Fire Javi
Posted on 10/29/24 at 8:04 am to NOBigEZ
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The fact of this matter is that our defensive game plan was making Weigman struggle and ineffective
isn't that the defensive game plan for every game?
to make the QB ineffective?
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We knew A&M had a backup who flashed hot in his two SEC starts.
He had good running numbers against a Florida team that everybody runs against.
against Arkansas he was 11/22 passing and averaged a whopping 1.3 yards per carry.
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An effective game plan should take into account all possible outcomes. We were not prepared to defend against their second quarterback when our defense made it necessary for them to make a change.
again, you are limited in the amount of time you can spend practicing and in meetings each week. There are actual NCAA rules that set these limits.
You don't waste that limited time on backup QBs that have never played a single significant snap when the starter is healthy.
Despite it always being a possibility he could get into the game.
this place would really flip their lids if Weigman had a field day and a player said "damn, wish we had spent more time on him instead of prepping for the backup that never gets in the games when the starter is healthy"
Posted on 10/29/24 at 3:49 pm to Nutriaitch
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Isn't that the defensive game plan for every game?
to make the QB ineffective?
That is most certainly the defensive game plan's main objective for every game. But, we didn't have a strategy in our plan to finish and win the game when we forced A&M to remove its ineffective QB. He got replaced by a QB who played 111 snaps and had 2 winning SEC starts prior in this season. Reed wasn't your average, limited play-calling, mop-up backup QB.
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He had good running numbers against a Florida team that everybody runs against.
against Arkansas he was 11/22 passing and averaged a whopping 1.3 yards per carry.
Reed also scored 3 TDs in each of those SEC games as the starter. Those 111 offensive snaps played were only 9 fewer than Weigman (120 snaps) this season. Again, Reed wasn't your average backup QB.
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again, you are limited in the amount of time you can spend practicing and in meetings each week. There are actual NCAA rules that set these limits.
You don't waste that limited time on backup QBs that have never played a single significant snap when the starter is healthy.
Despite it always being a possibility he could get into the game.
What do we do had Weigman (who missed 3 games) reaggravated his injury early in the game and gets pulled due to injury? You don't game plan for that? Despite the limited time to prepare, the defensive staff could have spent a minimum of 5-10% to address how we plan to defend A&M's offense with Reed in the game. According to our defensive players, he was not even mentioned in game prep. That is not a good defensive game plan.
Posted on 10/29/24 at 3:54 pm to Nutriaitch
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no coaching staff anywhere in America is dedicating any significant practice time preparing for a backup that does not play when the starter is healthy.
I tried telling people this the night of the game.
Sad that about 80% of the people on here didn't know this simple point.
Posted on 10/29/24 at 5:16 pm to skullhawk
15 minutes of prep would have been better than zero. Penn’s statement makes it clear they did not run one rep during the week simulating the backup. It really is unbelievable.
Posted on 10/29/24 at 6:45 pm to NOBigEZ
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Again, Reed wasn't your average backup QB.
he has played ZERO competitive snaps when Weigman was healthy.
zero.
not even a "hey let's use him in a goal to go spot"
nothing.
which is actually exactly what a typical backup does.
ONLY plays when the starter is hurt or in garbage time of blowouts.
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What do we do had Weigman (who missed 3 games) reaggravated his injury early in the game and gets pulled due to injury?
he hadn't missed a snap in a month.
how long does a guy have to go without "reaggravating an injury" before you figure he's healthy and good to go from that injury?
and in that last SEC game Reed played even a single competitive snap (a month ago), he had 13 yards rushing on 10 attempts.
add his 1 attempt in garbage time vs Mizzou for -4 yards.
so in a month, he's had 11 carries for 10 yards.
seriously, Rickie Collins had more rushing yards over the previous month than Marcel Reed did.
there isn't a coaching staff in America that is using 5-10% of their limited practice time on that.
This post was edited on 10/29/24 at 6:46 pm
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