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re: Great analysis of the Maason Smith situation and NCAA incompetence
Posted on 8/26/23 at 12:10 pm to lostinbr
Posted on 8/26/23 at 12:10 pm to lostinbr
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But I don’t think LSU/Masson have the legal standing to fight it
I don’t think standing would be difficult given previous ruling, kavanaugh’s concurrence and anti-trust, but agree getting an injunction and actually winning that case isn’t as clear.
At the end of the day if BK said they exhausted all appeals then my guess is that they consulted and were told that a legal challenge avenue would either be unsuccessful or would cause more damage long term, whether that be in the severity of this punishment, future punishments or the image of LSU and NCAA investigations as a whole. Sprinkle in that it seems Maason isnt 100% yet and I feel like you gotta trust BK is making the best decision given his options here. People who say this was botched by LSU are probably still complaining that Daniels is starting over Nuss. NCAA being petty but whatever, let them dig their own grave
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Posted on 8/26/23 at 12:10 pm to QB
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The reality is that if LSU would have bothered to think it all through, Smith could have said he was no longer injured after the Fla State game, and could choose which game he wanted to be suspended from, just like Boutte, and LSU wouldn't be facing this nonsense today. He could have still retained his injury status as a recurring ankle sprain and not lost his RS year. LSU compliance/coaches just don't think things through to get the best results sometimes. This is so beyond stupid on LSU.
You are making a lot of assumptions about things that you have no clue to be true.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 12:25 pm to LSUTitan99
Change his number and put Boudreaux on the back of his jersey, the NCAA won't notice. 
Posted on 8/26/23 at 12:25 pm to LSBoosie
The Saturday Down South guys (one is an LSU grad) said Kelly should have said Smith was eligible for the bowl game against Purdue and let him stand on the sidelines in uniform. The NCAA would have gnashed their teeth but they couldn’t do anything. Although if they looked at a week 0 game to get around this, I’m sure that idea came up
Posted on 8/26/23 at 12:31 pm to timbo
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The Saturday Down South guys (one is an LSU grad) said Kelly should have said Smith was eligible for the bowl game against Purdue and let him stand on the sidelines in uniform.
I don’t think they know if that will actually work. I think you might actually have to be medically cleared, you can’t just say that you are. I don’t know the exact rules about how that works though.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 12:56 pm to ClassActionJackson
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I don’t think standing would be difficult given previous ruling, kavanaugh’s concurrence and anti-trust, but agree getting an injunction and actually winning that case isn’t as clear.
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ClassActionJackson
I should have known a lawyer would correct me when I used the word “standing.”
What I should have said is: I don’t think it’s correct to think this is an open-and-shut case.
You bring up a good point though - given Kavanaugh’s opinion in the Alston case it does seem that the door is open for Maason and/or LSU to bring a case in federal court, which could lead to NIL being further cemented. But when you consider the resources and time (potentially years) that it would take for that case to make its way through the courts, along with the fact that states and the NCAA have now legalized NIL, I’m not sure it’s worthwhile for Smith or LSU. By the time it got to resolution, Smith would be in the NFL anyway. At that point it’s just a distraction for him.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 4:01 pm to Laman1978
Wrong since he has already be deemed ineligible, the win will be forfeited almost immediately and LSU will probably face harsh penalties bc ignoring the NCAA order.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 5:34 pm to LSUTitan99
Great take by Josh Pate.
Posted on 8/26/23 at 6:38 pm to LSUTitan99
Within the next 5 years the sec and big 10 will rule football and the ncaa will be around for the lesser schools
Posted on 8/27/23 at 10:27 am to Simplemaaan
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would rather kick their arse and forfeit. The committee ain’t lookin at NCAA bull shite forfeit shite.
If you guys think that LSU would just dominate with Maason Smith playing do you not think they can still win without him playing?
He’s a great player but he’s not the difference in LSU dominating with him then losing without him. They played an entire season without him last year and won the SEC West.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 11:02 am to LSUTitan99
Who is "in charge" of the NCAA? What is the provenance of its authority, so-called?
Posted on 8/27/23 at 11:27 am to LSUTitan99
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3. Other kids who broke this rule got to pick a game in 2022, so why can't Smith pick one in 2023? You are punishing a kid for getting injured.
This is the crux of the entire issue. Just let them move it to Grambling. How friggin hard is that?
Posted on 8/27/23 at 11:58 am to doubleb
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The ruling said the athletes always had that right. How can you punish a kid for exercising his rights? The rule was unconstitutional and so are the penalties.
This is the part in all of this I don’t understand. Once the Supreme Court ruling was handed down it should have invalidated all rules to the contrary. Even beyond that, I don’t understand why the NCAA felt there was a compelling need to make the new rules effective at some future date rather than immediately upon passage. What good were they serving preventing earning money on autographs in June, but not July and forward? And, even at that, what competitive advantage do they believe it gave LSU that this money was earned two weeks early that it would necessitate a punishment now? It’s not deterrence since the act is no longer prohibited.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 12:00 pm to LSUTitan99
didn’t the SCOTUS rule that the anti-NIL violated anti trust laws?
how can the NCAA retroactively enforce illegal rules?
how can the NCAA retroactively enforce illegal rules?
Posted on 8/27/23 at 12:46 pm to michael corleone
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Maybe the guy in charge of enforcement is a former FSU AD?
Whose boss at the time the NCAA made the decision to investigate and the eventual punishment was former LSU Chancellor.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 1:03 pm to LSUTitan99
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3. Other kids who broke this rule got to pick a game in 2022,
This is misinformation that keeps getting repeated. The “choosing” a game is only for suspensions handed down by the schools or maybe the conferences. The NCAA has never allowed an athlete to choose their game(s). This was clarified by Ross Dellinger this week. An NCAA suspension is to be served in the immediate game(s) after the appeal process is completed and that player is eligible and healthy to play in. Boutte got lucky that just so happened for him before a cupcake. But that was a lucky coincidence. He, nor LSU, was allowed to “choose.”
Think what you want about how his injury or the fact the rule changed just a couple weeks after his violation should affect Maason’s suspension. But this whole “why doesn’t he get to choose the game when past players could narrative is false.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 1:21 pm to SammyTiger
quote:No, this was not an issue addressed by the USSC in
didn’t the SCOTUS rule that the anti-NIL violated anti trust laws?
Alston.
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how can the NCAA retroactively enforce illegal rules?
What illegal rules? USSC ruling in Alston left in place the NCAA rules that limited non-educational compensation for student-athletes. These same rules were changed only by the NCAA with the adoption of their own NIL policies that had an effective date of July 1, 2021.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 1:41 pm to LSUTitan99
Yes. The NCAA just turned down a request for a wavier for a second transfer who was going to start for FSU in the OL or DL, which, I don’t recall. They were really counting on the player. He wupill have to sit out a year. Sometimes I’m wondering if the NCAA Doing Smith this way may not be a make up move.
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