re: Give credit to coach O..

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Wut. No one is talking about 2016. This is much more about the talent bridge going into the most recent years under O, that lacked depth & top end talent LSU is accustomed to at those positions.

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Ah. So 2016 doesn't count.

Got it.

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Miracle worker is a little dramatic. Hes had guys that would start at most 2nd tier SEC schools. He hasn’t quite had the dogs to meet the insane expectations by people like you but that is changing.

He is Great coach who has a great scheme, yes. Ain’t no doubt about that

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Well, Orgeron and co. took that 2nd tier talent and won 19 games in 2 years. I guess now that they've got their guys in there 12-0 should be a reasonable expectation?

Unless you're saying Orgeron and co. are also failing to get the top end talent to Baton Rouge?

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I love miles bashers talking shite to people for bashing O.

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Especially since not much has changed.

Great recruiting, elite defense, big wins... awful offense and bad losses.

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you look at some of the other hires this year (Mullen and FL, Jimbo at aTm, Herman at UT) I think these finished in a better position than they started with far less talent than LSU. These are teams on a positive trajectory, not LSU. We will be a perennial 8 or 9 regular season win team until something different happens

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10 & 3 first 10 win season in several years.

Going to end up with the number 3 recruiting class and next year's class looks like it will be epic.

A top ten finish and probable top ten beginning for next season as well.

I understand why you wouldn't have confidence. You gotta know that these coaches just bumbled their way to ten wins.

How many believe that the coaching staff outside of Aranda are incompetent?

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Ah. So 2016 doesn't count.

Got it.

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I’m not repeating the same shite I explained yesterday.

But do this for me. Map out the DBs from 2016 until this year, who left & where they were drafted and who replaced them. That has been one of the positions that was properly bridged

Then map out the DL & LBs and see how it compares.

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Well, Orgeron and co. took that 2nd tier talent and won 19 games in 2 years. I guess now that they've got their guys in there 12-0 should be a reasonable expectation?

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Do you disagree ? Outside of Devin where are the dogs & depth we are accustomed to seeing at lsu along the DL, LB, and OL?

Last year was worse than this year, this year top end talent emerged, and depth has been accumulated. Between some of the guys Les left & ones coach O added this team is pretty talented.

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But do this for me. Map out the DBs from 2016 until this year, who left & where they were drafted and who replaced them. That has been one of the positions that was properly bridged Then map out the DL & LBs and see how it compares.

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Don't need to.

#7 in the country in Composite Talent (#2 in SEC)

You say different though and everyone knows your opinion carries more weight than everyone else's. What more is there to discuss?

That has nothing to do with my point. You’re too stupid to jump into a conversation late & attempt to comprehend

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That has nothing to do with my point. You’re too stupid to jump into a conversation late & attempt to comprehend

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Vicious.

It has nothing to do with the point you originally commented on. No.

I’m talking about the state of specific positions left over by the Miles regime. On top of that O has had 2 recruiting classes now. On top of that I just said the talent & depth on the 2018 team as a whole was much improved.

There’s nothing to refute with those rankings. They just do not reflect anything I’m talking about

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I’m talking about the state of specific positions left over by the Miles regime. On top of that O has had 2 recruiting classes now. On top of that I just said the talent & depth on the 2018 team as a whole was much improved.

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On top of that 2017 was ranked at #6.

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There’s nothing to refute with those rankings. They just do not reflect anything I’m talking about

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They reflect exactly what you're talking about. You just don't like the fact that they directly refute all the bullshite you've been spewing about a talent deficiency.

As I pointed out before, your opinion is just better than everyone else's, isn't it Lester? Proof be damned, what you claim is just at a different level of comprehension than everyone else.

Ironically, this apparently includes the service you're using to make the claim that the talent level is rising. It's strange how that happens, isn't it?

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I don’t know how many times I’ve seen posts in the past that referenced 10 wins that didn’t include a west championship as some kind of failure for LSU football. Now they want 10-3, 5-3 with the 9th best O in the SEC pictured as great or significant improvement from the past.

If our expectations have been lowered , just say so

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I don't see how anyone could look at this past season and not think that it was a step in the right direction. If anyone thinks that LSU has been seriously in a position to win the west, SEC, or the NC the last 5 years or so they're not dealing with reality.

LSU hasn't had the depth or talent enough to get there for a while. Thank God that is changing now. I don't know what happened in recruiting through some of these years. I don't know if they just whiffed on talent, didn't coach them up or what but it hasn't been there. I'm not saying that there was no talent at all. I'm saying that LSU lacked talent and depth at key positions that kept them from competing at a level that LSU wants to, and expects to.

LSU is stepping back into the ring and it's an exciting time to be a Tiger.