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re: Give credit to coach O..
Posted on 1/3/19 at 4:16 pm to Topwater Trout
Posted on 1/3/19 at 4:16 pm to Topwater Trout
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wait yesterday you were bitching that final rankings were the best way record wins vs top 10 teams...which means you can only beat the #1 team if they finish #1 at the end of the season...that's brilliant logic
I mean, that's a completely different topic and isn't even remotely related.
You're talking about the discussion as to whether preseason or postseason rankings better determine the quality of a win.
Are you really this dense?
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Posted on 1/3/19 at 4:17 pm to RB10
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So, either add 12 to the list of great seasons, or remove 18. They're basically identical. The only difference is 2018 had significantly less 2 loss teams.
12 was a better season than 18 without question for all the reasons you’ve mentioned.
Weren’t all three losses by a COMBINED nine points or something? All to 11 win top 10 teams.
And 10-2 is just better than a 9-3 year even if both end up the same 10-3 because one loses the bowl (you play a better opponent at 10-2 naturally) and one wins.
Bowls kind of wrap things up and are more of a barometer going into the offseason.
08 or 15 weren’t all of a sudden great because we blew teams out of the water, but it did leave a slightly better impression and felt like things were going in the right direction going into the next year.
Just like this year.
Doesn’t change what 2018 was but does give us all something to be excited about for 2019.
This post was edited on 1/3/19 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 1/3/19 at 4:18 pm to RB10
top 10 seasons aren't great in your opinion?
what is your criteria for greatness?
what is your criteria for greatness?
Posted on 1/3/19 at 4:24 pm to Topwater Trout
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top 10 seasons aren't great in your opinion?
what is your criteria for greatness?
I've already given it. Would you like me to quote it again?
So having as many big wins, being more competitive in all losses, finishing higher in the division, finishing the regular season with more wins (both SEC and overall) and finishing with the same exact number of wins after bowl games doesn't constitute an equally measured season because in one of these seasons 3 times as many teams finished with 2 or fewer losses?
That's just dumb.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 4:24 pm to Topwater Trout
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top 10 seasons aren't great in your opinion?
As many have already pointed out, rankings are subjective year to year.
Regardless, if you’re talking about top 10 AFTER the bowls? No.
Top 10 before the bowls means you are right on the cusp of being in the CFP conversation.
That’s the ranking that decides where you are in comparison to the rest of the top contenders.
Post bowl rankings are obviously skewed because the best teams usually play each other so half of them will fall out anyway.
Catch a good matchup like we did this year and all of a sudden you’re set to move up once the better teams knock each other off when you weren’t really in the running as a top team when it counted anyway.
This post was edited on 1/3/19 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 1/3/19 at 4:27 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Top 10 AFTER the bowls? No.
Top 10 before the bowls means you are right on the cusp of being in the CFP conversation.
That’s the ranking that decides where you are in comparison to the rest of the top contenders.
Good point as well. In 2012 LSU went into the bowl season ranked 9th. The fell 5 spots (falling below 2 loss Texas A&M & 2 loss South Carolina who they'd beaten) after the bowl loss to Clemson.
This post was edited on 1/3/19 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 1/3/19 at 4:34 pm to RB10
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add 12 to the list of great seasons,
We haven't had a great season since 2011.
It's ridiculous for 10-3, 5-3 to be set up as a great season for LSU football. That would be great for Vandy or Kentucky. If its great now for LSU, why in the frick did we fire Les. He gave us this all the time.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 4:39 pm to LSU Groupee
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We haven't had a great season since 2011.
It's ridiculous for 10-3, 5-3 to be set up as a great season for LSU football. That would be great for Vandy or Kentucky. If its great now for LSU, why in the frick did we fire Les. He gave us this all the time.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 4:43 pm to LSU Groupee
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It's ridiculous for 10-3, 5-3 to be set up as a great season for LSU football.
Let me ask you this, did you think les Miles should have been fired?
If so, when & why?
If not, why?
This post was edited on 1/3/19 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 1/3/19 at 4:57 pm to Lester Earl
Let me ask you this, Les, who gives a shite whether people on the Rant think Miles should have been fired?
Alleva’s opinion is all that matters, and he set the bar by trying to fire Miles after going 9-3 in 2015 (10-3 with McNeese), then actually doing it IN SEPTEMBER the next season.
We don’t have to guess at what the standard is.
Unless the standard is no longer what it was under the previous coach, which is something that many of us have suspected for quite some time
For the record, I posted here before 2016 that if Miles didn’t win the West that year, his time was done
ETA: Just to play along, when did you want Miles fired?
Alleva’s opinion is all that matters, and he set the bar by trying to fire Miles after going 9-3 in 2015 (10-3 with McNeese), then actually doing it IN SEPTEMBER the next season.
We don’t have to guess at what the standard is.
Unless the standard is no longer what it was under the previous coach, which is something that many of us have suspected for quite some time
For the record, I posted here before 2016 that if Miles didn’t win the West that year, his time was done
ETA: Just to play along, when did you want Miles fired?
This post was edited on 1/3/19 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 1/3/19 at 5:06 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Let me ask you this, Les, who gives a shite whether people on the Rant think Miles should have been fired?
It's a diversionary tactic.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 5:55 pm to Skippy_
Won one that was unexpected GA...lost one that was unexpected FL.... til we beat GUMPS???? WTH keep your head down and GRIND GRIND GRIND..... it rains every day in little nicky’s World and it should in ours too 
Posted on 1/3/19 at 5:58 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Miles played like Little Nicky before Little Nicky adjusted. Should have adjusted 
Posted on 1/3/19 at 6:43 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Let me ask you this, Les, who gives a shite whether people on the Rant think Miles should have been fired?
Because if you wanted the coach fired, whether you want to acknowledge it or not, there is a transition period there for a new coach.
Why?? Start going over the check list on the reasons he should have been fired.
You realize how many programs have crashed after a coach is fired? shite, there are programs that can’t rebound when a coach retires on good terms.
And you have slap dicks like the guy I responded to saying this season wasn’t up to par. Year 1 had a few warts like a lot of 1st year coaches will have. Year 2 showed clear improvement across the board. Year 3 is primed to be huge.
We FIRED a coach. He didn’t retire. He didn’t die. He didn’t step down for an admin job. Coaches are FIRED for reasons. Reasons that need to be remedied before expectations are up to the same standard as they were when everything was rolling.
So is the standard “what it was under the oldcoach”....ummm at what point in his tenure? Because by the time he was fired the pinnacle standard had already been bumped down many notches. That’s up to you to decide but everything I’ve read is unreasonable
Posted on 1/3/19 at 6:52 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Being a play away with 2 minutes left is competitive
No its not... Ple Miss whipped LSU from the 1st play from scrimmage... This is just your way of taking up for Miles..............
Posted on 1/3/19 at 7:06 pm to DALSU
No I’m good!
Posted on 1/3/19 at 7:11 pm to Lester Earl
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Let me ask you this
let me ask you, if you knew in 2016 that the firing of Les would lead to the hiring of O would you want Miles fired?
Posted on 1/3/19 at 7:11 pm to DALSU
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This man has done a great job
He's done the same job that Miles did after nearly 40 games. Miles was fired.
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they have improved.
How so?
0 West Titles
0 SEC Titles
0 National Titles
LSU was already winning 9 regular season games. Where's the improvement?
This post was edited on 1/3/19 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 1/3/19 at 7:12 pm to Goldrush25
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a diversionary tactic.
Diverting from what you think?
Posted on 1/3/19 at 7:14 pm to LSU Groupee
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let me ask you, if you knew in 2016 that the firing of Les would lead to the hiring of O would you want Miles fired?
O was like my 5th choice but I’d rather him than Miles.
He’s on the Miles blueprint that won a lot of games. If he doesn’t make the same mistakes as Miles LSU will be fine
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