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re: Garrett Nussmeier just moved into 3rd place for single season passing yards.

Posted on 11/24/24 at 9:32 am to
Posted by BayouBaw84
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 9:32 am to
Why wouldn’t you compare apples to apples? Nuss is doing better in year 1 than JD did in year 4 as a starter. I know that’s hard to wrap your head around but please do.

Nuss is the most talented QB in the SEC. Just needs experience.
This post was edited on 11/24/24 at 9:35 am
Posted by Paytonisablowhard
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 9:35 am to
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Posted by 33inNC
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 9:36 am to
Come on, there were WRs running wide arse open all night (and season).

Lacy seems to always be open, but he cannot catch, and. Nuss seems to lock onto Taylor way too much.

I think our WR group is a bit weak, but let's be honest about them getting open. Nuss needs to improve a lot and if he does, the WRs will magically look much better. The biggest problems are Nuss and the OL.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 9:44 am to
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JD - 4th year starter first at LSU Passing - 2913 17 TDs Completion % - 68.6 Rating - 144 Nuss - 1st year starter Passing - 3458 23 TDs Completion % - 63.2 Rating - 137



Add in turnovers and rushing numbers and it ain’t close.

JD is better.



You can argue Az St true frosh JD was better.
Posted by Biloxi Bacon
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 9:45 am to
Just think how amazing the numbers would have been if he could throw a deep ball
Posted by Madking
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 9:47 am to
You can argue anything but it doesn’t make that argument valid
Posted by SA4LSU
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Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 9:49 am to
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No one thinks he is bad. His decision making has been bad at times. Tonight he finally had one his best games. Taking what thr defense giving him. They played zone so took the top off but allowed underneath passes.


I hope we all realize that is a direct correlation to the offensive line play. Even look at the legend Joe at Cincinnati, it’s hard to complete passes when at the snap of the ball someone’s in your grill. When the interior of our offensive line got bad is when we got the bad Nuss. It’s just even more glaring because he is not as Mobil.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 9:51 am to
Higher qb rating better comp percentage more total yards more total TDs less turnovers more team wins.

That’s all objective measures.


It ain’t close.
This post was edited on 11/24/24 at 9:52 am
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 9:54 am to
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Why wouldn’t you compare apples to apples?


A question better asked before calling him a Heisman finalist I’d think
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 10:06 am to
But they’re not, you’re comparing 14 games to 11. An objective comparison would be side by side but you won’t do that because it changes the numbers and not in your favor. Objectively their passer ratings would be nearly identical up to this point, Nuss would be ahead in YPG and YPP with Jayden having a slight edge in TDs and an edge in comp%. Jayden finished strong in rating and ypa for the final two games but only had 2 TDs so we’ll see how Nuss finishes by comparison.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 10:11 am to
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Objectively their passer ratings would be nearly identical up to this point, Nuss would be ahead in YPG and YPP with Jayden having a slight edge in TDs and an edge in comp%.

What about INTs and rushing?
Posted by BayouBaw84
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 10:15 am to
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Add in turnovers and rushing numbers and it ain’t close
He had around 900 yards rushing his 4th year starting and first at LSU. Nuss will end up with well over a 1000 more passing yards than JD so it doesn’t affect it as much as you would like.

With a competent WR group Nuss would’ve easily hit 4000 yards and 40 TDs.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 10:15 am to
Rushing is included, you’re correct on the ints, fumbles lost I think is +1 Nuss or even but need to double check. My argument isn’t that Nuss is better but that they’re alot closer than some would have people believe.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 10:19 am to
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That group can’t get open to save their lives and they haven’t made a single tough catch to help him out all season aside from Mason Taylor

Anderson has made a lot of good catches and great plays. He’s not one of our great WR1’s, but he is a good WR2 for LSU.
Posted by BayouBaw84
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 10:21 am to
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My argument isn’t that Nuss is better but that they’re alot closer than some would have people believe.
Correct. My argument is that people underestimate game time experience. 0 years starting versus 3 is a huge thing.

I also believe JD made a huge jump in his 5th year starting alone but so did Nabers and Thomas which helped in the pass game tremendously.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 10:29 am to
And JDs improvement started with eliminating bad choices. He took fewer sacks, quit holding the ball just to take off running first. Thats how it started then he began to take shots. Like with Burrow they both got better as the year went on and were able to do that because they corrected stuff early on in year 2.
This post was edited on 11/24/24 at 10:38 am
Posted by Hurricane2020
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 10:32 am to
Anderson dropped a 20+ yd TD pass.
Posted by KennabraTiger
Kenner, LA
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 10:32 am to
Stats stats stats blah blah blah
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
36208 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 10:42 am to
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With a competent WR group Nuss would’ve easily hit 4000 yards and 40 TDs.



I am not convinced that the group of receivers that nuss is throwing to is any worse than 2022. Overweight pouting kayshon boutte was being forced the ball by play calling (particularly early in the season) to not have a full blown revolt.


Lacy is probably equal if not better than 2022 boutte.

Anderson has been as impressive as 2022 nabers.

Mason Taylor as a junior is better than true freshman Taylor.


Thomas was talented but because of boutte wasn’t getting time.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
65672 posts
Posted on 11/24/24 at 10:54 am to
Thomas was splitting time with Jenkins who led the team in TDs. Boutte was our slot guy.


Btw you do know that Nabors is the alltime leader in yards and catches at LSU right? He had over 1,000 in 2022 on 70+ catches.
This post was edited on 11/24/24 at 10:59 am
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