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re: Frank wilson finalist for the Tulane job
Posted on 12/6/15 at 11:59 am to D011ahbi11
Posted on 12/6/15 at 11:59 am to D011ahbi11
I'll give you that he got a better job. So are we discounting everyone else there? Also, have you now done your research to figure out that Rich Rod wasn't the head guy there?
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Posted on 12/6/15 at 12:00 pm to Blktiger
Why would Wilson want that job. He is better off where he is now.
Posted on 12/6/15 at 12:00 pm to therick711
No research required to know that, doesn't mean it didn't help launch his career.
Also Buddy Teevens failed at Tulane and still went on to get the HC job at Stanford, so maybe it's not quite the graveyard everyone says
Also Buddy Teevens failed at Tulane and still went on to get the HC job at Stanford, so maybe it's not quite the graveyard everyone says
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Posted on 12/6/15 at 12:02 pm to D011ahbi11
If everyone followed a "blueprint" to get to certain levels of coaching, there is no way Orgeron and Frank would be on the same staff kinda doing the same thing.
Everyone's path is different and this I can tell you, frank knows his future and career depend heavily on what he can do with recruiting in the NOLA and Gulf Coast area. He has had loose interest for HC at other places places before and OC interests as well, but he wants to be a HC where the fit is right for his ties...Tulane lines up real good for him right now, and their fans want him.
Everyone's path is different and this I can tell you, frank knows his future and career depend heavily on what he can do with recruiting in the NOLA and Gulf Coast area. He has had loose interest for HC at other places places before and OC interests as well, but he wants to be a HC where the fit is right for his ties...Tulane lines up real good for him right now, and their fans want him.
Posted on 12/6/15 at 12:04 pm to D011ahbi11
Except it is irrelevant to this conversation. You do realize he went with Bowden to Clemson, right? He took the same job with Bowden, in fact, it was a coordinator job. Just like what I just fricking said Frank should do! So are you now agreeing with me? Frank should get a coordinator job, right?
Posted on 12/6/15 at 12:07 pm to D011ahbi11
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Also Buddy Teevens failed at Tulane and still went on to get the HC job at Stanford, so maybe it's not quite the graveyard everyone says
He had to take three different jobs before he got to bury Stanford. I think Frank would prefer to stay a head guy, not have to get fired at Tulane so he can go be the RB coach for a mediocre Big 10 team to try an resuscitate his career.
Posted on 12/6/15 at 12:07 pm to therick711
I've never argued that point. He should certainly consider it.
Only argument I'm making is that a good coach can win at Tulane or anywhere really.
Only argument I'm making is that a good coach can win at Tulane or anywhere really.
Posted on 12/6/15 at 12:10 pm to D011ahbi11
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Only argument I'm making is that a good coach can win at Tulane or anywhere really.
How is that argument better in any meaningful way than the argument that a talented guy like Frank Wilson should maximize his chances to be successful rather than reach for a job that gives him a very low chance for career success?
Just because someone could win at Eastern Michigan or Tulane or Army doesn't mean it is a good idea to take that job.
Posted on 12/6/15 at 12:10 pm to therick711
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Frank should get a coordinator job, right?
People like Rich Rod were creative offensive minds and great play callers...that's not Frank's forte. What makes you think he should take a job showcasing something he doesn't specialize in when he can get offers without needing to be an OC?
It's like telling a waiter he should pass up management opportunities to tend bar because it's the most logical path and a more common blueprint.
The goal is to be a HC and rely heavily on your ability to recruit this region...going to say, Maryland, to call plays isn't necessarily any better
This post was edited on 12/6/15 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 12/6/15 at 12:16 pm to LSUfan4444
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What makes you think he should take a job showcasing something he doesn't specialize in when he can get offers without needing to be an OC?
What offers is he getting? My impression based on reporting is that he has been told they would like to see him with coordinator experience.
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It's like telling a waiter he should pass up management opportunities to tend bar because it's the most logical path and a more common blueprint.
It is nothing like that.
The fact that you think the hospitality industry and football coaching are remotely similar is hilarious. quote:
The goal is to be a HC and rely heavily on your ability to recruit this region...going to say, Maryland, to call plays isn't necessarily any better
Unless Maryland gets him a job where he can actually win and he gets to be head coach for longer than 4 years, which is the whole point. Getting a shitty head job and then never getting another chance when you inevitably fail isn't the goal.
Posted on 12/6/15 at 12:50 pm to GeauxToBed
guys like frank have to prove their mettle at some point. no one is clamoring for him to be an oc anywhere. he may end up being a good ceo type coach who can recruit his arse off. might do well if he has good coordinators.
hell, miles and mack brown where coordinators at some point. that's the problem with guys like bebe and frank. hope he gets it, hope he does well.
hell, miles and mack brown where coordinators at some point. that's the problem with guys like bebe and frank. hope he gets it, hope he does well.
Posted on 12/6/15 at 12:51 pm to Blktiger
They need to get a coordinator.
Wilson is great, but he isn't going to recruit Tulane to wins.
That just isn't gonna happen
Wilson is great, but he isn't going to recruit Tulane to wins.
That just isn't gonna happen
Posted on 12/6/15 at 4:49 pm to D011ahbi11
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Nah, if you're a good coach you'll succeed.
And how did you miss Rich Rod and Bowden "surviving" at Tulane.
What about Mac Brown?
He did well at Tulane; then whored himself out to UNC
Posted on 12/7/15 at 6:36 am to Errerrerrwere
I guess under .500 isn't well for some people. That was also more than 30 years ago.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 7:36 am to therick711
"Well" for Tulane standards, Rick
:)
:)
Posted on 12/7/15 at 7:39 am to Errerrerrwere
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It looks good on paper, just like the Curtis Johnson hire did; I just think it's too much of a gamble for him.
Yeah. I get that he wants a head job. But, Tulane really isn't a great choice. I'd rather him pick a place where he can be successful and make a name for himself.
Wilson is basically a poor man's Curtis Johnson. He's the recruiter...but doesn't have Johnson's x's and o's resume in the NFL.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 7:41 am to pimpshiznit
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You think the program is bad now( which it is). Let Frank get this job
His replacement has been identified for some time - Jabar Juluke.
What will be tough is if we lose both Frank AND O in the same season. That will be tough to recover from.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 7:43 am to LSUfan4444
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I love the rant....Tulane is a shite job where careers go to die, BUT they need a talented play caller and someone "better" than a position coach who is one of the best recruiters in the country
I'm sure talented play callers and creative offensive minds are falling from trees begging for the chance to recruit in and around New Orleans and in the rest of the state LSU calls home to be the head coach at Tulane.
The large majority of successful hires made at small schools is exactly what was described...a young offensive minded coach who manages the offense personally.
They DO exist. And, they want to climb the ladder. If Tulane hires a Fuente type, and he succeeds, he isn't going to stick. But, so what.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 7:53 am to Errerrerrwere
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I think Kendall would do wonders there
I don't think he would but I hope he gets it so we can get a real OC at Baylor. In the past they utilized the short quick passes in space a great deal, Kendoll takes over and he goes away from that and always calls for the long ball. With Coleman, Cannon, and J. Lee's speed why wouldn't you use them in space? He's not ready but best of luck to him.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 7:59 am to moneyg
If they land Briles; I would buy a few tickets to some games and go watch them.
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