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re: Former tennis player goes public on Davis.*Interesting Updates*
Posted on 11/19/20 at 9:48 pm to Mithridates6
Posted on 11/19/20 at 9:48 pm to Mithridates6
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I'm saying her behavior ain't normal for one, that's bc she's being put up to this
Put up to what? You think this is a 3 year long con?
Posted on 11/19/20 at 9:51 pm to TheWalrus
quote:Really? You are struggling with this?
the attacks on the victim or the white knighting for her.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 9:55 pm to Mithridates6
Not a coincidence. Weirdos like you I am sure have been ripping her on social media
Posted on 11/19/20 at 9:58 pm to lsupride87
Wrong. And there was another girl who went public just to cancel ZVR on Twitter a couple of days ago. She was that traumatized by Zack's statement of facts that she had to break her silence! Please don't put two and two together folks !!
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Posted on 11/19/20 at 9:59 pm to Mithridates6
You realize Davis was arrested multiple times, is on video, and actually pled guilty to the abuse right?
I mean I’m just trying to see if you are really confused, trolling, or just crazy
I mean I’m just trying to see if you are really confused, trolling, or just crazy
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:02 pm to TheWalrus
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I’m not sure which is worse, the attacks on the victim or the white knighting for her.
Imagine having a hard time deciding which of these is worse. On one hand you have people attacking a known, confirmed abuse victim because she spoke out against the tennis coach and disgraced former football player, neither of which this board gave a flying frick about 72 hours ago. On the other you have people defending her and saying abuse isn’t okay.
Gee, very tough choice.
Posted on 11/19/20 at 10:11 pm to lsupride87
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the attacks on the victim or the white knighting for her.
quote:I'm sort of with him on that.
Really? You are struggling with this?
On one hand, the attacks on the victim are always bad. If it turns out the victim is scamming or lying later, well she's not a victim anymore so it isn't really "victim shaming" anymore. In this case, we know enough about what Davis did and she was attacked at least twice.
On the other hand, the white knighting comment isn't a comment on her, the victim. It's the people out there who will use her and her situation for their own ends. The white knighting he refers to is a skewing of information; and it almost always to benefit the one doing the skewing, not the victim. In fact, it usually hurts the victim because after the white knighting, the full and true story follows... and of course they don't match. She can be a victim with faults. Many have pointed that out many times already in this thread.
Anyone white knighting her is trying to skew or hide those faults. And when it comes out different later, it absolutely hurts the victim's credibility in many corner. It's best to use the facts and let the faults/imperfections be laid bare from the beginning.
Posted on 11/20/20 at 12:27 am to lsupride87
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I don’t know how anyone in the LSU admin survives this
The people who are directly linked and have evidence against them are going to get fired. It may not happen tomorrow, but it’s going to happen. It could even go worse for them than just being fired since Title IX is federal law. However, right now it’s the Tennis coaches, the trainer and Verge Ausberry. I’m sure others across the University will be implicated, but who knows how many and what departments they will be in.
If Alleva and Alexander were still here, I don’t think they could skate on this. However, I don’t think there is any way Woodward takes any kind of fall for this. He’s actually set up to be the hero if he handles the investigation and aftermath right. And the President is interim, so who knows with him. He may not be retained, but he isn’t to blame for any of this.
Unless ironclad evidence comes out against Orgeron, he’s not getting fired. He would sue over anything short of that and the school would still have to pay a big settlement in place of a buyout. The only way to fire him with cause and avoid a suit is to have irrefutable evidence. Im not saying that can’t happen, but you would think USA Today would have hammered that for more attention after a year of digging if they had any direct links. They trashed a few players who were cleared of their issues, but they clearly danced around pointing any direct allegations at Orgeron.
Posted on 11/20/20 at 8:05 am to misey94
Let me preface this by saying I believe strongly all the allegations are true. There is overwhelming evidence.
I might get blasted for this, but after reading the article Friday morning in the Advocate, it did not mention that the victim went directly to the Tennis coach. Stay with me. First it said that her father brought up 'potential' abuse in 2017 to the male coach, not the victim. Also, the other tennis players reached out to Julia Sells, but she did not act on it.
The Sells stated that the allegations where never disclosed to us and they complied with reporting protocols.
My question is, does the 'protocols' require the abused/victim to reach out to the LSU official personally or does any form of allegations by close family and friends sufficient enough to start the Title IX process? The same question could be said for Verge. Protocol.
Edited: I answered my question. Verge and the Sells should have contacted LSU official and proceeded with Title IX.
The policy is clear "Any member of the University community who believes that he or she has been subjected to sexual harassment has a right and an obligation to report it to any University official, supervisor, or the Office of Human Resource Management."
I might get blasted for this, but after reading the article Friday morning in the Advocate, it did not mention that the victim went directly to the Tennis coach. Stay with me. First it said that her father brought up 'potential' abuse in 2017 to the male coach, not the victim. Also, the other tennis players reached out to Julia Sells, but she did not act on it.
The Sells stated that the allegations where never disclosed to us and they complied with reporting protocols.
My question is, does the 'protocols' require the abused/victim to reach out to the LSU official personally or does any form of allegations by close family and friends sufficient enough to start the Title IX process? The same question could be said for Verge. Protocol.
Edited: I answered my question. Verge and the Sells should have contacted LSU official and proceeded with Title IX.
The policy is clear "Any member of the University community who believes that he or she has been subjected to sexual harassment has a right and an obligation to report it to any University official, supervisor, or the Office of Human Resource Management."
This post was edited on 11/20/20 at 8:13 am
Posted on 11/20/20 at 8:20 am to LSU2NO
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My question is, does the 'protocols' require the abused/victim to reach out to the LSU official personally or does any form of allegations by close family and friends sufficient enough to start the Title IX process? The same question could be said for Verge. Protocol.
my understanding (may not be correct) is that once a University official become aware of an allegation, they must report it to Title IX.
i don’t think it specifies that the victim themselves have to make the accusation.
Posted on 11/20/20 at 8:22 am to Captain Crown
This is more of an indictment of coach Sell than LSU in general. The athletic director also gets lumped in since this seems to be systemic in the athletetic department.
Inn not aware of any NON athletic sexual assaults that have been ignored
What will happen here is that the atheistic dept likely gets a heavy weeding if not a gut job.
Inn not aware of any NON athletic sexual assaults that have been ignored
What will happen here is that the atheistic dept likely gets a heavy weeding if not a gut job.
Posted on 11/20/20 at 8:58 am to SlidellCajun
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This is more of an indictment of coach Sell than LSU in general.
Seems like the Sells were doing pretty well rebuilding the program. Not sure how they survive this.
UVas former head coach is from Lafayette and did pretty well there making UVa into an ACC Champion and regular NCAA tournament team during his tenure there. He also did pretty well at Kentucky before going to UVa. He stepped down a few years ago and returned back to Lafayette.
May be a great hire if he is interested in returning to coaching if the Sells get canned.
Posted on 11/20/20 at 8:59 am to LSU2NO
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Edited: I answered my question. Verge and the Sells should have contacted LSU official and proceeded with Title IX.
Yep. Considering that there are already multiple witnesses lined up against the Sells, I don’t see how they survive. Ausberry is in the same boat since his has now gone on record about his involvement. It will be interesting to see how many more people school-wide this thing will eventually connect to.
Posted on 11/20/20 at 9:56 am to avondale88
quote:To the incels on this board, yes
I was thinking the same thing. If a woman wears a provocative piece of clothing and goes to a casino then it's okay to rape her?
Posted on 11/20/20 at 10:02 am to Epaminondas
quote:Why?
If you're talking about victims who are minors, it's not the same thing.
Posted on 11/20/20 at 10:24 am to lsupride87
This girl has 0 to gain going public with this. Some of the comments in this thread are just awful. Imagine if this was your daughter, sister, or something your mother had to go through... we all love the University and its reputation is everything. A rape culture is not a safe place for young women, and the girls are frankly the best part about LSU. The part we all love, and we should protect as men.
Sad to see adults fail these kids. Very sad.
Sad to see adults fail these kids. Very sad.
This post was edited on 11/20/20 at 10:24 am
Posted on 11/20/20 at 10:26 am to AlxTgr
A large fact is missing. The Tennis player was not a student at LSU when the incident occurred. Drake told Verge she was lying in the phone conversation. Verge told Drake to cooperate with the police and to report the incident. Verge took all necessary steps.
A title IX report would not pertain to non LSU students. Drake was punished by LSU and prosecuted by the 19th JDC DA.
A title IX report would not pertain to non LSU students. Drake was punished by LSU and prosecuted by the 19th JDC DA.
This post was edited on 11/20/20 at 10:29 am
Posted on 11/20/20 at 10:30 am to tigerbaitlawyer
Apparently that’s not enough for the public these days.
Posted on 11/20/20 at 10:37 am to tigerbaitlawyer
I've been wondering if there is some reason for this title IX case to shake out like it has. Up until this report it seems that LSU had been overzealously safe when handling serious issues. We will see.
Posted on 11/20/20 at 10:41 am to dagrippa
This is nothing more than a shake up to get LSU to pay a non-student!!!!
Lsu took the proper actions. Drake was removed and prosecuted.
Lsu took the proper actions. Drake was removed and prosecuted.
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