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re: Forde: Damning evidence against Wade/Miller

Posted on 3/19/20 at 12:55 pm to
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28384 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 12:55 pm to
It's more virtue signaling from a loser in a dying industry trying to "get a pelt on the wall".

Of course Wade was playing the recruiting game. ALL of the big name coaches play that game. They have to are they are going to be out on their arse looking for a job because they can't win.

I think those who are "outraged" have zero fricking clue how the AAU circuit works, which is where the top talent is recruited. High School basketball is secondary and something most of these guys do for fun.

AAU is a LITERAL marketplace for HS talent. These big time AAU programs aren't funded by taxpayers or catfish dinners. They're funded by shoe companies and the "organizer" (read: hustler) gets paid. Those guys then, in turn, market their players to colleges and shoe companies. It's why the fundamental basketball play is usually shitty. It's not about putting together a team that can win. It's about allowing each guy to show how good he is so the colleges/shoe companies will be willing to pay more. AAU organizers, coaches, parents, uncles, runners, etc are ALL on the take.

And here's the kicker....the NCAA KNOWS this. It's not exactly hard to see circumstantial evidence of guys and their families being paid (Hey, maybe Zion's family was independently wealthy BEFORE he signed with Duke?). In most years that don't involve the country going into complete freakout mode, the NCAA Tournament provides damn near 80% of the NCAA's total operating budget. You want to go broke? Devalue the NCAAT by essentially getting rid of all the great players because they are paid to play.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 12:56 pm to
quote:

The Wade-Dawkins conversation actually begins with some byplay between the two about Jaron Blossomgame, a former Clemson player Dawkins was working with on behalf of ASM Sports Agency leading up to the 2017 NBA draft. Dawkins makes joking reference to Blossomgame going undrafted and coming back to school to play at LSU, which prompts this response from the coach: “We could compensate him better than the rookie minimum. We could give him more than the (NBA) D-League.”


God Damn Will, you just cannot come out and say this out loud.
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
70381 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 12:59 pm to
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God Damn Will, you just cannot come out and say this out loud.


This is actual new info though. That conversation wasn't even in reference to a recruit, as was originally portrayed by this merry band of terrible writers. (We knew the comments were made in jest already)
Posted by Cannon
Shreveport
Member since May 2015
1617 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 1:01 pm to
Only evidence I see, excuse me, only fact I can gather from this, is that Wade is a mother truckin' gangsta with a big ole set of brass balls. That's all I read.
Posted by Tigertown in ATL
Georgia foothills
Member since Sep 2009
29206 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 1:01 pm to
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intereting this was timed for an LSU NCAA run


Right
Posted by KC Tiger
Member since Sep 2006
4617 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 1:03 pm to
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Every Power 5 school is cheating and paying players and have been for a long time. Everyone knows it happens. The ones who think it doesn't are either just dumb or naive.


Possibly so, but every Power 5 School doesn't get caught. At the very least we need to admit Will Wade did something naive and/or stupid by speaking to someone ON THE PHONE. This is a rookie mistake by a 35 year old coach. I doubt very seriously that 45 year old Will Wade would have made such a preventable error.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
93705 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 1:05 pm to
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Only evidence I see, excuse me, only fact I can gather from this, is that Wade is a mother truckin' gangsta with a big ole set of brass balls. That's all I read.

Posted by T
Member since Jan 2004
9889 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 1:05 pm to
LINK


Once again, Zion Williamson’s family’s home in Durham, NC.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
66448 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 1:17 pm to
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If this doesn’t make you nervous, you have no situational awareness


There is going to be ZERO new information. What changes?
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278499 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 1:17 pm to
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. At the very least we need to admit Will Wade did something naive and/or stupid by speaking to someone ON THE PHONE


Wade’s actions have all but admitted his guilt. Those things have gotten him off the hook with LSU

But a guy like Forde and the Louisville klan in particular want blood because that’s what happened to them

Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278499 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 1:27 pm to
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There is going to be ZERO new information. What changes?


Whether one thinks it’s fair or not, I tend to agree with Forde that actually hearing it will make it worse

And I think Dawkins’ willingness to be the subject of such a film(let’s face it, he’s getting paid) is not a great sign. Who else will he or has he talked to already?


As for nothing new, there were 2 small details I’ve read that I didn’t know before. Admittedly it’s been a while since I’ve brushed up on this matter
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
93705 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 1:29 pm to
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Whether one thinks it’s fair or not, I tend to agree with Forde that actually hearing it will make it worse

This has been my only real concern as well. How much more public pressure will there be on LSU/NCAA to take action after we hear the tapes?
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
66448 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 1:30 pm to
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Whether one thinks it’s fair or not, I tend to agree with Forde that actually hearing it will make it worse



It doesn’t change evidence though. And, from our knowledge, the NCAA doesn’t have anything more.

I’m not sure why you see it differently?

Look, we all know Wade cheated .... but so does everyone else. I mean, fricking Creighton got wrapped up in this stuff. If you want LSU to be competitive, they’ve got to play the game. Otherwise you get Trent Johnson. A great coach but no talent.

Without there being a trail of transactions, or a video of Wade hanging out money to recruits ... he shouldn’t be let go.

There is nothing new here, and so the previous decision to retain him shouldn’t change.

There shouldn’t be this “nervousness” you speak of.
This post was edited on 3/19/20 at 1:33 pm
Posted by Soup Sammich
Member since Aug 2015
3301 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 1:58 pm to
If Coach K, Wade, Calipari or any coach was recorded on the phone saying they will give $500,000 to a recruit, I wouldn’t expect them to be in any NCAA trouble at all. That goes for all collegiate sports head coaches. Recording a coach saying those things or someone saying a coach said those things is to easily defended against.
I guess a school could fire a coach for saying those things but I wouldn’t think a recording would be a crime or even grounds for punishment from the NCAA.

But if there is physical evidence that shows direct proof of payments to a recruit or handler of a recruit from a school or coach, then that is a problem.

Posted by BobBarker
Bompton
Member since Nov 2012
11657 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 2:00 pm to
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This is actual new info though. That conversation wasn't even in reference to a recruit, as was originally portrayed by this merry band of terrible writers. (We knew the comments were made in jest already)



Yeah seriously. They tried to attribute that to Wade talking about Smart last year, now we know he was joking about a dude who wasn’t even in college anymore. Thamel, Forde, and Wetzel are fricking hacks. This is ridiculous.
Posted by 19
Flux Capacitor, Fluxing
Member since Nov 2007
33193 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 2:46 pm to
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don't want to give them clicks. What is the synopsis?


quote:

“Just the audacity, you’ve got to take your hat off to him, bro. … Will Wade is definitely a f------ gangster for what he did.”


...and Forde is still a pussy.


Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
15444 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 3:07 pm to
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Sean Miller comes out looking worse than Wade and there isn't anything new at all on Wade


Doesnt mean Wade is even almost clean.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
93705 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 3:10 pm to
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Doesnt mean Wade is even almost clean.

Never said or even remotely insuiated that it did.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47918 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 4:12 pm to
Any thread with Pat Forde articles posted in it should be whacked immediately. The guy is a well known fraud.
This post was edited on 3/19/20 at 4:13 pm
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47918 posts
Posted on 3/19/20 at 4:29 pm to
It must be puzzling for you that Wade is so blatantly guilty, that the evidence is in plain sight and that the most influential people in basketball want him taken out yet he’s still coaching at LSU? Even after an FBI investigation which surely had even more information. How is it possible you must be asking? Well buddy the truth is you have no idea what you’re talking about, you and the other P.Is who’ve claim d Wade’s guilt are 100% clueless and can’t recognize bullshite when it’s under your noses. It’s no wonder mass media has so much control over our people here, you guys will buy anything regardless of actual facts.
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