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re: For those who keep repeating that Micah Gibbs "works for free," you're wrong
Posted on 4/3/17 at 9:46 am to LSURussian
Posted on 4/3/17 at 9:46 am to LSURussian
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What? Cannizaro's only coaching experience was when Mainieri hired him only two years before he left for Miss St
He had experience primarily as a Yankee scout. As a RC that had to be a valuable tool. He had done a little coaching too before that.
Per the LSU website:
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Coaching/Scouting Experience
2014- LSU (recruiting coordinator/hitting coach)
2009-14 Amateur Scout, New York Yankees
- recruited and evaluated players in preparation for MLB Draft
- worked as East Coast Pro Showcase coach in 2013-14
- served as Yankees representative at 2013 and 2014 MLB Drafts
- worked as Yankees advance scout in preparation for 2011 and 2012 playoffs
2008 Head Coach, Louisiana Knights U18 fall baseball team
Throw in 7 years in the pros as a player and 4 four at Tulane as a player, and you have a pretty big background compared to Cain and Gibbs.
And Will Davis began coaching for Mainieri in 2007. He was a seasoned "volunteer" by the time he left for a HC job at Lamar.
Gibbs and Cain may turn out to be Stengel and Durocher, I don't know but if you look where we were in 2015 with our coaching staff and if you compare that to where we are now, we do not have near the experience or diversity we once had.
BTW, how many ex LSU assistants that PM hired became HC somewhere?
I count Cannizaro, Davis, Godwin, and Rooney. That's really good. PM gets an A in that dept. Gibbs and Cain could be coaching studs down the road, we don't know.
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Posted on 4/3/17 at 9:47 am to LSURussian
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You obviously did not read this thread, or even the first sentence of my post that started this thread.
ETA: "I was disappointed that Coach Mainieri decided to name Gibbs as hitting coach last fall..."
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LSURussian
You're as predictable as the tides. The rest of your post was like the part of a sentence that appears after the word but. Which is used to invalidate everything that came before it.
Weak deflection.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 9:47 am to LSURussian
LSU's reasoning, if MSU did talk to AC sooner than reported, is likely just a "gentleman's agreement" to keep a fellow SEC school out of trouble. I don't think it's wrong for administrations to do their due diligence even at the expense of NCAA and government rules. My "it was to make the Gibbs hire easier to stomach" guess... is biased, I admit.
This post was edited on 4/3/17 at 9:49 am
Posted on 4/3/17 at 9:50 am to doubleb
quote:You can count Dean, too although he was just a grad assistant at the time.
BTW, how many ex LSU assistants that PM hired became HC somewhere?
I count Cannizaro, Davis, Godwin, and Rooney.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 9:51 am to ell_13
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You can count Dean, too although he was just a grad assistant at the time
I left off Dean, thxs, he definitely should be on the list.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 9:53 am to ell_13
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LSU's reasoning, if MSU did talk to AC sooner than reported, is likely just a "gentleman's agreement" to keep a fellow SEC school out of trouble.
There are some elements of Mutually Assured Destruction that would have kept everyone on the same page as well.
How petty would it have looked for LSU to cause a stink about this in October? It would have essentially ensured that Mainieri would never be able to hire another pedigreed assistant coach at any point if he's shutting down the opportunity for a guy to coach at an SEC school.
He would be closing a ton of doors and locking himself into a decision that he may have made with the intention of it being short term.
And what if we let Canny go in October on the assumption this deal gets done, but it falls through.
Also, while two schools can keep the tampering aspects a secret, LSU hunting for an assistant during that time probably would have screwed everything up for everyone.
Which leads back to Russian's Occam's Razor. It was just bad timing for everyone.
Still though, frick Cohen, just because.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 9:56 am to ProjectP2294
Good post. I basically admitted to this at the top of the page...
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Still though, frick Cohen, just because.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 9:59 am to ProjectP2294
If PM knew AC was a strong candidate for the State job or any job, he should have had a short list of possible candidates. PM knows a lot of baseball people, and I'm sure he could easily find a strong candidate if he had tried even in November.
Remember, he had a full time job to offer, not a volunteer job. A fulltime job coaching at LSU!!! That would be extremely hard for many to turn down.
PM must have thought Cain could do the job.
Remember, he had a full time job to offer, not a volunteer job. A fulltime job coaching at LSU!!! That would be extremely hard for many to turn down.
PM must have thought Cain could do the job.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 10:02 am to doubleb
quote:Makes you wonder if Gibbs would still be the guy if Canni got the Tulane gig...
If PM knew AC was a strong candidate for the State job or any job
Posted on 4/3/17 at 10:06 am to ProjectP2294
quote:And Cohen is just enough of a scumbag and he has enough dislike for Mainieri that I have no doubt he took great pleasure in calling Mainieri about talking with AC when he did on the day before the P&G World Series began to conclude the fall practice period.
LSU hunting for an assistant during that time probably would have screwed everything up for everyone.
Remember, Cohen is the guy who suggested to his Sunday starting pitcher a few years ago to throw the first pitch to Mason Katz behind Katz's head after Mason hit homeruns in the Friday and Saturday games against Miss St in Starkville after LSU won both of those games.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 10:07 am to ell_13
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Makes you wonder if Gibbs would still be the guy if Canni got the Tulane gig...
Any outsider looking in has to see this as a head scratcher; however, I believe PM promoted Javi really fast also.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 10:08 am to ell_13
quote:I've wondered that, too.
Makes you wonder if Gibbs would still be the guy if Canni got the Tulane gig...
Posted on 4/3/17 at 11:04 am to LSURussian
So he is a Volunteer Coach. So his title is correct.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 11:07 am to GFunk
quote:There is nothing in the rest of my OP that hints I was in favor of the Gibbs hire.
The rest of your post was like the part of a sentence that appears after the word but. Which is used to invalidate everything that came before it.
The rest of the post after the "but" addresses the "volunteer coach works for free" myth.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 11:10 am to BallChamp00
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So he is a Volunteer Coach. So his title is correct.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 11:11 am to LSURussian
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There is nothing in the rest of my OP that hints I was in favor of the Gibbs hire
True
quote:
The rest of the post after the "but" addresses the "volunteer coach works for free" myth
True
And btw, you got a good conversation started, why some choose to make it more than it was is beyond me.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 11:19 am to doubleb
quote:Thanks.
And btw, you got a good conversation started, why some choose to make it more than it was is beyond me.
In GFunk's case, he's just pissed about all the times I've corrected his really, really misinformational posts on the Money Talk Board.
He's bringing that grudge to this thread and explains why his replies to me in this thread are nonsensical.
So you see, I'm able to piss off posters on boards other than the Rant and the Poli Board!
Posted on 4/3/17 at 11:22 am to LSURussian
Why is it so hard to knock something like this around?
Look how many contributed to the thread in a beneficial way.
Look how many contributed to the thread in a beneficial way.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 11:25 am to baseball blood
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Yep ! That is why they leave every year! But what is crazy he allowed Stevenson to hit .150 as a freshman and hardly took him out. That might be his best coaching job. He had a great career at LSU and will be in the big leagues.
Stepenson wasn't an everyday starter till maybe a week before post-season play began. Keep that in mind, that average was the result of playing playoff caliber teams.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 4:43 pm to LSURussian
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LSURussian
quote:
In GFunk's case, he's just pissed about all the times I've corrected his really, really misinformational posts on the Money Talk Board.
I have consistently deferred to your posts on MT and rarely disagreed. Your memory is going. Our biggest issues came when discussing the issues of St. George. You were wrong about one individual behind it before it was a cause celebre and I corrected you with first hand knowledge. As I recall, you walked away with a different point of view.
If we are going to be petty, Russian can you give us a report on how attentive the players are to the coaches pregame meeting on the field? I do recall you defending Javy Sanchez by saying how the players paid rapt attention to him. Great take there. He was so bad his godfather couldn't even keep him in Baseball. Volunteer coaches and guys with hardly any experience by comparison got gigs over him. Repeatedly.
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