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re: For all those butthurt about this CA bill
Posted on 10/4/19 at 10:58 am to TchPowDog
Posted on 10/4/19 at 10:58 am to TchPowDog
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All this talk about open and free market for buying players is absolute nonsense - this will NEVER happen.
This is the most naive thing in this post. This endorsement clause will allow boosters through local businesses to make it financially worthwhile for a recruit to attend certain schools. Schools will then be forced into “sponsorship” plans for worthy players.
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Posted on 10/4/19 at 11:22 am to TchPowDog
Experts are ignorant of the real NCAA world. They see LSU, Alabama, Ohio State football programs and Duke and UNC Basketball. They don't care about the U-LL, Ul-M Southeastern and Southerns of the world. They don't see girls soccer, boys lacrosse, and on and on. They don't see parents scrambling to get books and 1/4 scholarship in softball. Most programs in the NCAA lose money and are propped up by the states that they are in. Tell me this - IF any body thinks this a good idea. Running back make !00K and the lineman in total make $o.oo total. Then he enters the transfer portal because he can get $150K at Ohio State.....Think people this would be the end of college athletics.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 12:22 pm to TchPowDog
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Because there are thousands of NCAA sanctioned collegiate athletes, not on scholarships, who are severely affected by the following rule:
i have read the rest of this thread yet,, so forgive me if this has already been mentioned.
unless all money is pooled together and distributed evenly to every athlete on campus, the non-scholarship guys you’re mentioning will get very very little if any at all.
why?
because their name, image, and likeness hold very little monetary value.
except in very rare instances non-scholarship athletes are not easily know or recognizable.
which in turn means they aren’t very marketable.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 1:00 pm to twilliam12
I think you have identified some of the affects of the law of unintended consequences that politicians never think of when legislating.
Wonder how much more an athlete can make advertising his jersey in Birmingham vs Starkville or Oxford.
Wonder how much more an athlete can make advertising his jersey in Birmingham vs Starkville or Oxford.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 1:04 pm to Gus007
It would become legal to sell your autographed memorabilia like Bama players used to do at the mens suit store in downtown T-town...
Posted on 10/4/19 at 1:04 pm to TchPowDog
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the NCAA will be forced to make changes to their current regulations
They could put their foot down and say "you can't compete here" and make all Cali schools ineligible.
ETA: they wont do this. That would be the end of the NCAA.
This post was edited on 10/4/19 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 10/4/19 at 1:50 pm to koLSU86
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Okay. What happens when a quarterback is getting paid a lot of money for something and his other teammates aren't getting jack shite? Think that might cause a little division in a locker room? Especially when most of the players in that locker room aren't going to be playing professional sports and able to cash in later.
Why does it matter when the QB is getting paid? If he's THAT good, wouldn't he probably end up getting paid on the next level anyway? The players in the locker room know who's going pro, they know which players are better than the other. Suddenly we're worried about the adults in the locker room getting their feelings hurt because Joe Football is making some money a few years early? I didn't realize we cared so much about these grown arse men getting their feelings hurt.
This post was edited on 10/4/19 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 10/4/19 at 3:21 pm to bayou85
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They could put their foot down and say "you can't compete here" and make all Cali schools ineligible.
ETA: they wont do this. That would be the end of the NCAA.
Duh. Why do you think California is doing what they're doing. And Florida. The NCAA isn't just going to say "frick off" to California and Florida - that would be the end of the NCAA.
The bill specifically says (and only says) that collegiate athletes do not have to abide by the rule I posted in the OP. The bill DOES NOT implement new rules. Why do you think it's written this way? I'll tell you - to make NCAA change their existing rules - i.e. lighten the restrictions - not completely remove the restrictions.
But everyone is blowing this way out of proportion thinking it will go from 100% restrictions to 0% restrictions - you're a naive retard if you think that.
Everyone, including myself, think it would be horrible for their to be an open, non-capped market for college players. That would absolutely ruin college sports. Lawmakers know this and so does the NCAA. So it's never going to happen. But republicans here think liberals frick everything up and anything California does, they're against it by default - it's quite pathetic.
And liberals do the same thing to republicans. So any time either side does something like this, the other side enters mass hysteria. Our forefathers are rolling over in their graves!
Posted on 10/4/19 at 4:08 pm to RealityTiger
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SEC made ~$660,000,000 last year.
Where did the vast majority of it go? Tonthe schools. What did they do with it? Mainly they upgrade facilities for the players, and buy better equipment and meals and etc for the players.
Sure, coaches make a ton. And a few administrators who mainly exist to make more money, to give to the schools, to spend on the programs for the players.
Good luck stopping the arms race in coach salaries. Know why? Schools that win make more money. Then they can put more money into their programs and buy better stuff — for the players.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 4:16 pm to TchPowDog
Take your own advice and wake up.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 4:38 pm to Open Your Eyes
Lol I love this argument that the schools are making money off the players. This is the single biggest lie involved in this argument and it’s also the backbone of the anti NCAA case. For example if you took Andrew Luck or Leonard Fournette straight from high school and put them in an AD for Gatorade not a single person would know who they were, but put them in an LSU or Stanford Jersey and they’re celebrities. This proves that it’s the schools brand that generates the money not the players. If you took every 5* and 4* player, put them in a football minor league and gave the NCAA only 2 and 3* players the schools wouldn’t lose a red cent while nobody would watch the minor league games. This case is a joke and the fact that it has legs proves how many stupid people reside in this country.
This post was edited on 10/4/19 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 10/4/19 at 10:15 pm to Madking
quote:Your whole argument is based off 100% assumption on your part. It's like you're conveniently bypassing facts and shaping the frick out of the argument to fit your side. And then you have the nerve to call people stupid.
Lol I love this argument that the schools are making money off the players. This is the single biggest lie involved in this argument and it’s also the backbone of the anti NCAA case. For example if you took Andrew Luck or Leonard Fournette straight from high school and put them in an AD for Gatorade not a single person would know who they were, but put them in an LSU or Stanford Jersey and they’re celebrities. This proves that it’s the schools brand that generates the money not the players. If you took every 5* and 4* player, put them in a football minor league and gave the NCAA only 2 and 3* players the schools wouldn’t lose a red cent while nobody would watch the minor league games. This case is a joke and the fact that it has legs proves how many stupid people reside in this country.
Ok buddy. No really, you're right.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 10:24 pm to yallallcrazy
Fair point.
But I'm curious as to how the hell you figured I had a problem with this based on what I wrote:
As if I don't know that already.
My point was that the power five all got together and formed these big money making deals with the networks and basically created the money making monster that is college football today. So now they're shocked that the players are starting to kind of wake up and say, "wait a minute..."
They created the monster. So I don't feel bad watching them squirm a little bit.
But I'm curious as to how the hell you figured I had a problem with this based on what I wrote:
quote:
Good luck stopping the arms race in coach salaries. Know why? Schools that win make more money.
As if I don't know that already.
My point was that the power five all got together and formed these big money making deals with the networks and basically created the money making monster that is college football today. So now they're shocked that the players are starting to kind of wake up and say, "wait a minute..." They created the monster. So I don't feel bad watching them squirm a little bit.
Posted on 10/4/19 at 11:34 pm to RealityTiger
So why not just create a league where players can get paid right out of high school? These people have more than enough money and influence to do it so why continue a partnership with the “slave traders” that they claim the NCAA are? There have been 2 new leagues pop up in the last year so if they wanted to they could do it easily. It’s because there’s no market for it. Without the team Brands of college football there is no product to sell.
This post was edited on 10/4/19 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 10/5/19 at 6:35 am to koLSU86
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My problem with this whole thing is it's only going to benefit the most popular players in the most popular sports.
This is absolutely going to be a consequence. Human nature is to worry about what everyone else is getting in relation to us. Petty jealousies will form. Of course the Title Niners will want a piece of the pie even though there is no market for their images and likenesses.
The next generation coming up has been reared in an age where getting something for nothing is becoming the norm. So when they see those who can earn off their image and likeness get theirs, they are going to feel entitled and it's gonna get really complicated and messy.
Posted on 10/5/19 at 7:30 am to TchPowDog
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All this talk about open and free market for buying players is absolute nonsense - this will NEVER happen.
If you believe this you're the naive one!
Posted on 10/5/19 at 7:33 am to TchPowDog
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to CHANGE their regulations so that they are not as restrictive. Why? Because there are thousands of NCAA sanctioned collegiate athletes, not on scholarships, who are severely affected by the following rule:
How many NON SCHOLARSHIP athletes are good enough to make money off their likeness?....A FREE college education, depending on where you, go is a 100k to 300k payday. Where can an 18 year old with no degree make that much in 3 to 4 years with a place to live and meals. Quit trying to ruin the game. I think you are the naive one...The kids who can make money off themselves are all on scholarship....
Posted on 10/5/19 at 8:28 am to Madking
quote:Nice strawman approach.
So why not just create a league where players can get paid right out of high school?
quote:OMFG. Nobody is claiming that they are "slave traders". That's you coming up with that.
so why continue a partnership with the “slave traders” that they claim the NCAA are
Listen, I don't know how old you are. But I remember a time when college football was college football. It was about school spirit, it was about school, it was about marching bands and students, it was about college.
And then they went and fricking ruined it into this huge money making corporate conglomeration in which hundreds of millions (more like billions) of dollars are made. All you have to do is compare Tiger Stadium now to Tiger Stadium 25 years ago to see an example. Hell, the reason we're playing a game at 11:00 in the morning today is because of the college football "machine" at work.
It already is a minor league, because THEY MADE IT THAT WAY.
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