re: For all the “street ball” detractors- get to the PMAC asap

“I honestly don't want all LSUBB threads to be about WW, but streetball idiocy is just mind numbing.”


Exactly but you have posters who are just looking for excuses because we haven’t looked as good under the new guy. We’re 10-1 and we all know what happened in the BS loss. It’s not like he’s Jonny Jones getting blown out by teams like Boise, it’s a process of getting better. McMahon obviously misjudged some personnel to start. Fountain is clearly better than Reed and Cam Hayes wasn’t even playing to start the year. There are a couple more tweaks that need to happen in that area but as far as design and structure we look fine. Ignoring all the data to bash Wade or belittle the current players just because they’re scared McMahon might underachieve is childish and pointless. The argument that “we don’t score as much because we’re better on offense” doesn’t really hold water.

Think they scored on 2 consecutive OOB plays last night. Also nice to see scores generated directly from screens.

I'm pretty sure most of us are on the same page. We end up discussing amongst ourselves, while dealing with the streetball posters.

Honestly, if CMM can figure out the lineup and likely it's 8 rotation and then some depth.

I gotta say this.. you can easily see the basketball fans. Join us.

WW recruited guys to his philosophy. My guy is going to beat your guy. ISO him up, create the space, and let him work. Very much an NBA mindset.

MM runs a offense to create a specific shot. He’s really good at doing it too. Very effective college offense.

Both effective. They are the very definition of two ways to skin a cat.

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But the die hard fans are disappointed this year because we went from a title contender with wade

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Lmfao

Where WW’s offense wasn’t a total ISO offense, it ended up that way a lot of times in an indirect way. The high ball screen game had poorly executed screens which didn’t create the mismatch it was supposed to create and led to a lot of one on one takes to the rim ( hence a lot of people calling the offense “ISO” or street ball ). In essence, it was my guy is better than your guy even though that may have not been the purpose of the offense.
The player’s knowledge of the screen game was poor also, they rarely read the defenders and passed up many easy opportunities because of it. On early hedges, the big that was setting the screen rarely immediately rolled back to the rim and when it did happen, the guard with the ball rarely ever hit the pass over the top, which would have led to an easy dunk with good spacing of the offense or a foul at worst So, as efficient as the offense was, it could have been way better.
You mentioned the stagger screens to get open shots for shooters but that really wasn’t emphasized greatly until the last year or year and a half.
This was my biggest beef with WW when he played teams who could lock his players down, he didn’t have sets that created an open look, whether it was because of poor execution by the players or his reluctance to rely heavily on the off ball screens to free guys up for open looks.
WW did a lot to make LSU BB relavent and I give him credit for trying to fix some of his team’s deficiencies but I never felt he was the guy to win a national championship. I also think they made the right decision letting him go because the NCAA was out to get him and LSU ridded themselves of that problem. Rightfully so, with the blatant, tremendously stupid and reckless approach he took to get guys to LSU. Of course other schools did it, they were smarter about it and wasn’t near as reckless.

Being the face of the program, creating interest, beating out others for a top recruit - Give me WW

Drawing up a play to get a bucket, in game adjustments, overall game management- Give me MM

You’re right about some of what you’re saying but claiming it as pervasive or absolute is wrong and the points you bring up aren’t design flaws. A perfect example was last season when our point guards were a weaker part of the team and couldn’t do what Waters, Smart or Mays could. He leaned on his double horns playing through Eason and Days. You can say he didn’t used the off ball screen sets until Cam came but the truth is he always used em but like everything else proportionate to our strengths. Of course we’re gonna use em more with Cam Thomas, of course we’re gonna be more high ball screen with Waters and Smart, of course we’re gonna see more post ups for Naz Reid. I would’ve liked to see more post ups throughout his time as well, I think last season if he’d used Days on the block more we wouldn’t mitigated those offensive slumps. His offenses scored a lot of points while being very efficient and you’ve overblowing the talent. Sure he raised the level here but you guys act like he was bringing comparable talent to Kentucky, Duke, Kansas and programs like that when that wasn’t the case.

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You think an average of one 5* kid per year makes you the favorite in the SEC? You can’t really think that.

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where did I ever say that???

I'm simply saying Wade wasn't a good tactical coach, when it came to having different sets/plays available when we needed something different.

That's all I've been saying, and you're taking things off on a tangent.