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Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:03 pm to Metaloctopus
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Good luck with that, considering fans won't care about your teams if they aren't eligible to play for championships.
I don’t know about all that. If all the top athletes go to the schools willing to pay them, (and they will because they do now, it’s just under the table payments), people will flock to watch the better players play. Nobody watches the Ivy League schools anymore because they suck, but people tune in to Clemson and Alabama even if they are not fans of those teams.
The TV money will go wherever the people go.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:30 pm to Metaloctopus
If someone says, “what about me?”, you just say to them, “go get it! Good luck!”
If Grant Delpit gets a TV spot it doesn’t mean a damn thing to Avery Atkins. Why is that an issue?
If Grant Delpit gets a TV spot it doesn’t mean a damn thing to Avery Atkins. Why is that an issue?
Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:02 pm to J2thaROC
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I don’t know about all that. If all the top athletes go to the schools willing to pay them, (and they will because they do now, it’s just under the table payments), people will flock to watch the better players play. Nobody watches the Ivy League schools anymore because they suck, but people tune in to Clemson and Alabama even if they are not fans of those teams.
The TV money will go wherever the people go.
Nobody cares about games that don't matter. It doesn't matter how many talented players you put on the field. Just look at the pro-bowl. Who cares about that game? It's full of all stars, but it's a boring, meaningless game. I don't know where people come up with this idea that fans are just drones who follow the big names. People care about games that matter. People watch Clemson and Alabama because they have been playing each other either in the semi finals, or the title game. Not because they have the best players. The fact that they have the best players is how they get there, but if there are no stakes involved, it doesn't matter.
When you know that neither team in a game is playing for anything that matters, it's not interesting to the masses.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:08 pm to mwade91383
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If someone says, “what about me?”, you just say to them, “go get it! Good luck!”
If Grant Delpit gets a TV spot it doesn’t mean a damn thing to Avery Atkins. Why is that an issue?
So you've decided on Avery Atkins' behalf that it doesn't matter to him? How convenient for you. And how is he going to "go get it"? Nobody is interested in his services. Nobody is interested in propping up the underwhelming, to put it very nicely, women's basketball team, either. But they are going to be beating down the door, claiming they put in hard work, and that it's not fair that they don't get equal treatment. Which is a terrible argument on their part, but those are the sort of politics that come into play when fools pass a stupid bill like Title IV.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 9:09 pm
Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:11 pm to Metaloctopus
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Good luck with that, considering fans won't care about your teams if they aren't eligible to play for championships.
Except that the AP poll will continue to rank all colleges, regardless of NCAA affiliation. Finish #1 in the AP poll and hang a banner, like in the good old days.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:15 pm to Metaloctopus
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Title IV.
Title IV applies only to the universities. Private business can pay whoever they want for their likeness. I don’t know why title IV keeps making an appearance in the discussion with these bills.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:37 pm to Metaloctopus
Were talking about players likeness, their own likeness. Atkins included.
If this rule got instituted everyone would have the right to do whatever they can for themselves. Delpit, Atkins, and whoever else. Nobody is being unfairly treated or punished. Either your brand/likeness has monetary value that you can capture or it doesn’t.
What’s the problem???
If this rule got instituted everyone would have the right to do whatever they can for themselves. Delpit, Atkins, and whoever else. Nobody is being unfairly treated or punished. Either your brand/likeness has monetary value that you can capture or it doesn’t.
What’s the problem???
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:44 pm to Dizz
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I don’t know why title IV keeps making an appearance in the discussion with these bills.
One of the bills (New York) calls for athletes to be paid directly by the schools on a % of revenue basis.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:44 pm to Chicken
I can see endless corruption with this. If people think corporations like Nike, etc won’t push kids to certain schools they are kidding themselves.
I can see schools like Oregon benefiting greatly from this.
I can see schools like Oregon benefiting greatly from this.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:46 pm to mwade91383
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Were talking about players likeness, their own likeness. Atkins included.
If this rule got instituted everyone would have the right to do whatever they can for themselves. Delpit, Atkins, and whoever else. Nobody is being unfairly treated or punished. Either your brand/likeness has monetary value that you can capture or it doesn’t.
What’s the problem???
They have the right to do whatever they can and be paid for their likeness today.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:44 pm to Jabontik
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Except that the AP poll will continue to rank all colleges, regardless of NCAA affiliation. Finish #1 in the AP poll and hang a banner, like in the good old days.
If they divorce from the NCAA, they won't play anyone outside of their state. The AP won't vote for teams that exist outside of the NCAA. It's mind boggling that you would even pretend that would be a real possibility.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:55 pm to Dizz
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Title IV applies only to the universities. Private business can pay whoever they want for their likeness. I don’t know why title IV keeps making an appearance in the discussion with these bills.
It's quite simple. It doesn't matter what private business want to do, if the NCAA says the players can't accept money from the private business. And if the NCAA decides to let the private business pay the players, then the women will want equal pay. They will cry "sexism" when the men inevitably make a gazillion times more off their likeness than the women do. That's where Title IV comes in.
You want to avoid that? Get rid of Title IV. I'll get right behind anyone who wants to eliminate that sham.
There are other problems, though. If players start receiving any kind of payments other than a stipend, it's no longer amateur athletics. It's completely naive not to realize that this opens the door for far more than just making money off of their likeness. And if that happens, the college system is dead, and gone will be the days of 100 plus players on a football roster, with under the radar kids getting far fewer opportunities.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 12:00 am to mwade91383
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Were talking about players likeness, their own likeness. Atkins included.
If this rule got instituted everyone would have the right to do whatever they can for themselves. Delpit, Atkins, and whoever else. Nobody is being unfairly treated or punished. Either your brand/likeness has monetary value that you can capture or it doesn’t.
What’s the problem???
The problem is that it only benefits the few, and alienates the many. The problem is that you have to be a fool not to realize that once players are allowed to be paid royalties, they are no longer amateurs. If you turn college into minor league type of system, you kill opportunities for a lot of kids to play college sports.
And Cadello brings up an excellent point above. If you allow the pay for likeness idea, then certain schools could stand to benefit in a disproportionate way. Think Adidas with Kansas, and as Cadello mentioned, Nike with Oregon.
Your view is too narrow to see anything but what sounds simple and rosy. It's nowhere near as simple as you want to believe it is. If it were, this would never have been an issue.
This post was edited on 10/2/19 at 12:06 am
Posted on 10/2/19 at 6:45 am to Metaloctopus
What’s wrong w a benefit only going to those who can earn it and have that value? You think because people’s feeling are going to be hurt that those who can capitalize shouldn’t be allowed to? Schools still give those players scholarships and all the perks that come with them, now we have to feel bad for them too?
Your view is to continue to ignore the realities of today’s college football. You make constant nonsensical exceptions to preserve something that doesn’t even exist. It’s truly bizarre.
Your view is to continue to ignore the realities of today’s college football. You make constant nonsensical exceptions to preserve something that doesn’t even exist. It’s truly bizarre.
This post was edited on 10/2/19 at 6:52 am
Posted on 10/2/19 at 8:33 am to mwade91383
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What’s wrong w a benefit only going to those who can earn it and have that value? You think because people’s feeling are going to be hurt that those who can capitalize shouldn’t be allowed to? Schools still give those players scholarships and all the perks that come with them, now we have to feel bad for them too?
Your view is to continue to ignore the realities of today’s college football. You make constant nonsensical exceptions to preserve something that doesn’t even exist. It’s truly bizarre.
You're just rambling, and the few questions that were relevant, I have already answered. Meanwhile, you didn't address the issue of these schools who stand to benefit from big brands like Nike and Adidas. Schools will use that influence to dominate recruiting.
The people who are really getting their feelings hurt are people like yourself, who are allowing your hearts to bleed because you think the world is so unfair for these athletes. They have it a lot better than most people. They don't work any harder at their craft than anyone else does at any other craft. The "value" athletes represent is all about what we, the fans, place on them. That puts them in a place of tremendous privilege. But now, that's not enough. Well, sorry. There are too many potential issues, and a very real possibility for huge corruption to come from this.
I think they should receive a stipend. I think they WILL receive a stipend, sooner than later.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 8:41 am to Metaloctopus
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hey will cry "sexism" when the men inevitably make a gazillion times more off their likeness than the women do. That's where Title IV comes in.
They can cry all of they want but title IX still does not apply. Title IX only comes in to play if the university gets involved which for most if not all of these bills is not happening.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 8:43 am to Metaloctopus
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That's where Title IV comes in
Pretty sure you mean Title IX. Title IV refers to federal financial aid.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 9:50 am to Wayne Campbell
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Pretty sure you mean Title IX. Title IV refers to federal financial aid.
Yes, sorry. I don't know why my brain was malfunctioning on that one.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 9:52 am to Dizz
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They can cry all of they want but title IX still does not apply. Title IX only comes in to play if the university gets involved which for most if not all of these bills is not happening.
Guy, the University sells player jerseys. Of course they will be involved. How do you keep missing that point?
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