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re: First year coaching observations
Posted on 6/11/22 at 7:36 pm to PurpleExile
Posted on 6/11/22 at 7:36 pm to PurpleExile
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PurpleExile
We’ll, that was a melt.
Schloss is a great coach. He’s also older than Johnson and has 12 more years as a head coach. So of course he’s going to have more accomplishments.
Posted on 6/11/22 at 7:36 pm to GoDeepCoach
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We have the #1 class in the country. Can’t judge a new coach in his first season. It takes time. Coach J is a great recruiter. He will make LSU great again. And quickly. Bank on it. Some people are always negative. God bless you, but I am very excited about this coaching staff. We will be great next year
And we had the #2 ranked class in 2020. I'm hopeful for the future too, but having a top recruiting class doesn't make you good anymore. You have to develop those players.
Posted on 6/11/22 at 7:43 pm to LSBoosie
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48, 83, and 35
Right, so three of their most used pitchers were already there.
Just looked it up. They signed 14 transfers, 7 of them being pitchers. The pitchers and their numbers were:
Landon Ellington (freshman, TCU signee)
- didn't play
Trey Dillard (Missouri transfer)
- pitched 1 inning this season
Micah Dallas (Texas Tech transfer)
- 76.2 IP, 5.40 ERA, .297 OppBA
Chris Cortez (freshman, Arizona signee)
- 43.1 IP, 4.78 ERA, .264 OppBA
Robert Hogan (JUCO transfer, Arizona signee)
- 18.1 IP, 4.91 ERA, .191 OppBA
Xavier Lovett (Miss State transfer)
- 6 IP, 12.00 ERA, .208 OppBA
Jacob Palisch (Stanford transfer)
- 52 IP, 2.60 ERA, .246 OppBA
Their starting rotation this year was:
Nathan Dettmer - 3rd year player at A&M
Wyatt Tucker - 2nd year player at A&M
Ryan Prager - freshman signee who had been committed to A&M since 2020
Most of the pitchers Schloss signed from the portal were either not big contributors or weren't very good. The only objectively good pitcher transfer he signed was Jacob Palisch from Stanford. So to say he signed 14 guys from the portal is true; however, those 14 guys aren't why they had better starting pitching than LSU did.
And if we're being honest, Jay signed more quality transfer arms than Schloss did. None of them were starters, but neither were any of the arms Schloss brought in either. But can you imagine how fricked we'd have been all season without Rez, Collins, and Cooper. They fell apart in the end, but those guys (and others) carried us all season when we had but one consistent starting pitcher.
This post was edited on 6/11/22 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 6/11/22 at 7:45 pm to lsufball19
Damn man. You didn’t have to do that to all of them. Just let them melt, it’s more fun that way.
Posted on 6/11/22 at 7:50 pm to CDawson
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He’s a better coach than J
Both are really good coaches. Schloss is one of the top 3 or 4 in the country for sure. J will be right there in that company over time.
Posted on 6/11/22 at 7:57 pm to lsufball19
So you don't consider the guy who had the 2nd most innings pitched this year a significant contributor?
Also you have a player who pitched a total of 17 innings and made 2 starts this year as part of their starting rotation.
Also you have a player who pitched a total of 17 innings and made 2 starts this year as part of their starting rotation.
Posted on 6/11/22 at 8:03 pm to LSBoosie
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So you don't consider the guy who had the 2nd most innings pitched this year a significant contributor?
I said significant contributor OR very good. The guy with the most innings on their staff, Micah Dallas, had an ERA of 5.40 and an OppBA of .297. I wouldn't call that very good. If we had a pitcher with those numbers, you wouldn't either. Honestly, pitching isn't even the reason A&M is good this year so I'm really not sure why we're having this discussion. I guess if you only looked at the last two games you might think that, but they had to win very similarly to how we had to win this uear...with scoring a lot of runs and throwing bullpen games. The difference in our two teams is really just they were miles better defensively.
quote:
Also you have a player who pitched a total of 17 innings and made 2 starts this year as part of their starting rotation.
Any pitcher who started a weekend game for them had an ERA of 4.75 or higher. Feel better?
Their pitching staff was not good. Their offense was very good, and their defense was better than ours.
They led the SEC in batting average, on base percentage, and runs scored in conference games (yes, better than Tennessee in all 3). That's why they won the West and got a top 8 seed, not because of their 5.32 ERA in league play
This post was edited on 6/11/22 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 6/11/22 at 8:04 pm to The Boat
Let’s see in four or five years. It’s not a sprint, it’s a long distance race.
Posted on 6/11/22 at 8:04 pm to LSBoosie
quote:Are you saying that CJJ & his staff has been here an entire year but haven’t developed any of the recruits that haven’t actually made it to campus yet?
You have to develop those players
This post was edited on 6/11/22 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 6/11/22 at 8:23 pm to LSBoosie
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And we had the #2 ranked class in 2020. I'm hopeful for the future too, but having a top recruiting class doesn't make you good anymore. You have to develop those players.
And what has Johnson done to prove that he can’t develop them?
Posted on 6/11/22 at 8:26 pm to lsufball19
Do you think AJ Labas was a good pitcher?
I never said that. I responded to a guy that said they are better than us because they returned better pitching than us. I said that wasn’t true then you responded to me.
That doesn’t mean you can list a guy with 17 innings pitched on 9 appearances as part of their starting rotation?
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Honestly, pitching isn't even the reason A&M is good this year so I'm really not sure why we're having this discussion.
I never said that. I responded to a guy that said they are better than us because they returned better pitching than us. I said that wasn’t true then you responded to me.
quote:
Any pitcher who started a weekend game for them had an ERA of 4.75 or higher. Feel better?
That doesn’t mean you can list a guy with 17 innings pitched on 9 appearances as part of their starting rotation?
Posted on 6/11/22 at 8:27 pm to vidtiger23
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And what has Johnson done to prove that he can’t develop them?
When did I ever say that? I said having a top recruiting class doesn’t automatically make you a good team. Not sure why you have a problem with that.
Posted on 6/11/22 at 8:40 pm to LSBoosie
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Do you think AJ Labas was a good pitcher?
Compared to what we had this year, sure. For an SEC weekend starting pitcher, no, he was pretty average. He had a strong start to last season but was absolutely shelled the last month and a half of the season
quote:
That doesn’t mean you can list a guy with 17 innings pitched on 9 appearances as part of their starting rotation?
He started 2 SEC games, including their last SEC series against Ole Miss, and and at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. No one on their starting rotation was very good.
Like I said, the reason they were/are good is because they were #1 in the SEC in batting average, on base percentage, and runs scored in SEC play. Period. It has very little to do with pitching transfers Schloss signed from the portal as many have inferred and/or said ITT. They pieced together games with their staff just like we did all season. They had no one in their staff they knew was giving them 6 innings (or more) every outing, just like us. They have 8 guys on their staff with 30 or more IP (same as LSU). That's not a sign of a team with a reliable starting rotation. In fact, we led them in basically every meaningful team pitching metric.
This post was edited on 6/11/22 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 6/11/22 at 8:47 pm to lsufball19
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Like I said, the reason they were/are good is because they were #1 in the SEC in batting average, on base percentage, and runs scored in SEC play. Period. It has very little to do with pitching transfers Schloss signed from the portal as many have inferred and/or said ITT. They pieced together games with their staff just like we did all season. They had no one in their staff they knew was giving them 6 innings (or more) every outing, just like us. They have 8 guys on their staff with 30 or more IP (same as LSU). That's not a sign of a team with a reliable starting rotation. In fact, we led them in basically every meaningful team pitching metric.
I never said anything to disagree with that. I told you I responded to a guy saying that they were better than us because Schloss inherited better pitching that Johnson. I said that that was not true. And it sound like you agree with me. So I’m not sure why you are trying to argue with me?
Posted on 6/11/22 at 8:48 pm to Captain Crown
Come on Captain My Man
Posted on 6/11/22 at 8:49 pm to josh336
I don't really care what anybody says. No college baseball coach was going far with this roster and awful pitching staff.
You could have stuck prime Bertman, the mythos of Turtle Thomas and whatever pitching coach you want back there and this team wasn't winning jack.
You could have stuck prime Bertman, the mythos of Turtle Thomas and whatever pitching coach you want back there and this team wasn't winning jack.
Posted on 6/11/22 at 9:21 pm to LSBoosie
Who said anything about pitching transfers? I said transfers. Go look at the transfers they played in the field and in the line up. Claunch, Rock, etc. No one said shite about pitching transfers.
Posted on 6/11/22 at 9:24 pm to LSBoosie
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When did I ever say that? I said having a top recruiting class doesn’t automatically make you a good team. Not sure why you have a problem with that.
I mean you’re right, but it’s a very good start towards a good team.
Posted on 6/11/22 at 9:40 pm to Marlo Stanfield
What are you talking about? I haven't responded to you this entire thread. I responded to CDawson who said "Pitching. One Coach had it when he got there. One didn’t."
I actually agree with your first post. You are wrong about teams still playing not being able to work the portal though. Tennessee literally picked up a transfer commitment yesterday
I actually agree with your first post. You are wrong about teams still playing not being able to work the portal though. Tennessee literally picked up a transfer commitment yesterday
Posted on 6/11/22 at 9:42 pm to vidtiger23
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I mean you’re right, but it’s a very good start towards a good team.
I know. It is a very good start, which is why I said I'm hopeful for the future.
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