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re: ESPN's FPI rankings continues to be hilariously terrible

Posted on 10/20/24 at 11:15 am to
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 11:15 am to
That number is suggesting that LSU is over performing with current roster talent

Hard to really argue otherwise
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63075 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 11:40 am to
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How do they calculate that? ND 7 with a loss to Northern Illinois Bama 3 with 2 losses including one to Vandy?


Without knowing the algorithm, I’d guess it’s highly skewed towards who you beat.
Posted by YMCA
It's Fun to Stay
Member since May 2011
5123 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 11:46 am to
So Bama has lost twice(almost 3 times) and they’re 3rd and it’s like ESPN completely forgot ND got beat by Northern Illinois at home.
Posted by OvertheDwayneBowe
Member since Sep 2016
3527 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 11:47 am to
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Without knowing the algorithm, I’d guess it’s highly skewed towards who you beat.


Talent composite is what creates the initial rankings. So Bama could legitimately be 6-6 and still in the top 10 because they have such a high recruiting ranking.

That's the flaw in any kind of computer ranking.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
80906 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 12:50 pm to
The inbreeds have two losses and are ranked third, above both teams that beat them (one of which has a better record)?
Posted by dsides
Member since Jan 2013
6161 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 12:56 pm to
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LSU is legitimately not the same team from a personnel perspective that it was for the first few weeks of the season but it’s hard to write a formula to account for that.


It’s really not that hard
Posted by JMMarine
Rayne La
Member since Apr 2023
174 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 12:56 pm to
You beat me to it talking about 2019. I still laugh about that season ending poll and what a fkn joke it was to have OSU and Clemson 1 & 2 respectively and LSU 3 after the best season ever in college football.
Posted by WAR TIGER
Death Valley
Member since Oct 2005
4300 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 1:04 pm to
Fellas, this ranking is made for betting junkies.
It's stating the likelihood of the next week opponent and the score on a neutral site.
For example, Ohio State is favored to win by 25 points next week, so they have the highest ranking.
LSU, actually, has opened as an underdog versus the Angie's. But, would be favored at a neutral site.

It's all configuring af to me, and I've probably poorly explained this FPI, but basically it's worthless.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12849 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 1:14 pm to
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so the teams "ranked" above us has as more to do with them having easier remaining schedules than anything else.

That’s not really true either. FPI ratings are not based on projected performance through the remaining schedule. They are based on projected performance against an average opponent on a neutral field.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61445 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 1:16 pm to
If you got Ole Miss at 5. Then give SC the respect to be 15 you gotta put us higher than 12.
Posted by CubsFanBudMan
Member since Jul 2008
6151 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 1:29 pm to
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you do know that FPI is a predictor going forward and not a ranking of what has happened so far, right?

so the teams "ranked" above us has as more to do with them having easier remaining schedules than anything else.


Not totally correct. It's a predictor of hypothetical matchups. It's saying that on a neutral field, LSU would lose to the top 11 teams more often than not, and win against everyone else more often than not. It's not predicting final standings. The difference in rating points also predicts the point differential in those hypothetical games.

I don't know how long preseason human bias remains in this one. I know some computer rankings eliminate the preseason data ones all teams are connected through enough degrees of opponents
Posted by Mandtgr47
Member since Aug 2024
7918 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 1:32 pm to
well no fkn way bama is legit #3. Their D sucks, their LT is horrible as well as OL, and Milroe is a good runner but terrible passer when getting pressure. ND hasn't played shite and lost to Northern Illinois. Give me a break.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
109283 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 1:37 pm to
My favorite was the final FPI for the 2019 season having national champion LSU still ranked second behind Ohio St. it’s not a ranking anyone should take seriously.
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