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re: ESPN last night... Herbie said OU #1
Posted on 10/12/11 at 8:24 am to DisplacedTIGERsFAN
Posted on 10/12/11 at 8:24 am to DisplacedTIGERsFAN
I keep hearing over here that OU made Texas look bad. Texas is in bad shape and not a very good team. Perhaps OSU can give them a good game to bring the media back to reality.
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Posted on 10/12/11 at 8:28 am to TigersRuleTheEarth
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Nah. OU can't run the ball and that is a recipe for total disaster when you play an elite SEC defense.
Signed - Chip Kelly
Posted on 10/12/11 at 8:29 am to TigersRuleTheEarth
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And just look at how close that game was.
You're proving my point.
And good point. When Arkansas put up those kinds of numbers against Alabama last year, it was a very close game with a veteran Bama QB and RB playing. It's unusual in college football to give up those kind of numbers and still win in a lopsided fashion.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 8:30 am to TigerBait414
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WVU couldnt run the ball and they got 550 between the twenties on an elite SEC defense.
FIFY
Posted on 10/12/11 at 8:31 am to Wolfhound45
Herbie needs to watch the LSU Oregon game. OU's offense is earily similar to Oregon's. That frantic pace did not work out well against LSU's defense.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 8:32 am to DisplacedTIGERsFAN
OK, this is not completely implausible--OU does have a great offense. And I think that Herbie is a careful analyst of the game.
In this case he overplays the importance of a great offense over great defenses. If OU plays LSU or Alabama, the offense would have its moments but would generally be held in check. Both LSU and Alabama would score points against the OU defense--both teams have shown that they can score against good defenses.
Herbie also has to look at who OU has played. Florida State has been shown to be very much overrated, and Texas is probably in the same category. OU gave up 28 points to Missouri--that is 2-3 Missouri--and scored only 23 points against FSU. In the end I think that Herbie is forgetting who OU, LSU, and Alabama have played.
In this case he overplays the importance of a great offense over great defenses. If OU plays LSU or Alabama, the offense would have its moments but would generally be held in check. Both LSU and Alabama would score points against the OU defense--both teams have shown that they can score against good defenses.
Herbie also has to look at who OU has played. Florida State has been shown to be very much overrated, and Texas is probably in the same category. OU gave up 28 points to Missouri--that is 2-3 Missouri--and scored only 23 points against FSU. In the end I think that Herbie is forgetting who OU, LSU, and Alabama have played.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 8:35 am to bbap
Did we not hear back in 2003 that the Wagon train land dealing sooners were the best team EVER in college football.how did that work out. 
Posted on 10/12/11 at 8:37 am to Swampcat
what exactly does 2003 have to do with anything? that was 8 years ago. i dont understand the point you are trying to make.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 8:41 am to bbap
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what exactly does 2003 have to do with anything? that was 8 years ago. i dont understand the point you are trying to make.
It has to do with the fact that you can literally copy and post comments about OU from 2003 into 2011 headlines. They were the greatest offense ever. Until they ran into a real defense.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 8:43 am to DisplacedTIGERsFAN
Does he really believe that Choklahoma's Offense is better than Oregon's offense which LSU didnt have an issue with?
Posted on 10/12/11 at 8:43 am to Wolfhound45
so because people thought OU would beat LSU in 2003 and it didnt happen...then naturally that means 8 years later that automatically still applies.
got it. makes total sense.
got it. makes total sense.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 8:57 am to bbap
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what exactly does 2003 have to do with anything? that was 8 years ago. i dont understand the point you are trying to make.
It's not just one game, In the past decade, OU has shown a definate pattern of dominating the big 12, blowing out opponents and running up the score, only to choke in their bowl games. It's the same old song and dance, they have "the best offense ever" they have "the best qb in the nation" etc. Somehow, they almost always get brought down to earth when they play a decent team with a good defense or have a month or so to prepare for the sooners.
There last 6 BCS games they are 1-5 with their only victory coming against a 4 loss Connecticut team. They have lost to everyone from Boise State to West Virginia. That's why people doubt Bob Stoops and OU right now. Nobody said they havn't put up gaudy offenseive numbers and have a great QB. The problem is, it's hard to believe they'll actually show up in their bowl game cause history shows they usually don't.
01/01/11 Fiesta Bowl (BCS) W OU 48, Connecticut 20 Glendale, Ariz. 67,232
12/31/09 Sun Bowl W OU 31, Stanford 27 El Paso, Texas 53,713
01/08/09 BCS Championship L Florida 24, OU 14 Ft. Lauderdale, Fla. 78,468
01/02/08 Fiesta Bowl (BCS) L West Virginia 48, OU 28 Glendale, Ariz. 70,016
01/01/07 Fiesta Bowl (BCS) L Boise State 43, OU 42 (OT) Glendale, Ariz. 73,719
12/29/05 Holiday Bowl W OU 17, Oregon 14 San Diego, Calif. 65,416
01/04/05 Orange Bowl (BCS) L USC 55, OU 19 Miami, Fla. 77,912
01/01/04 Sugar Bowl (BCS) L LSU 21, OU 14
Posted on 10/12/11 at 8:57 am to guttata
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How many offenses have Bama and LSU played which are as good as OU's? Aside from UO's, I don't think either Bama or LSU has faced a very good offense
Actually Oklahoma is ranked 15th in total yardage. Oregon is ranked 12th, Arkansas is ranked 9th and West Virginia is ranked 3rd and LSU and Alabama have beaten those 3 teams by an average of 21 points.
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so because people thought OU would beat LSU in 2003 and it didnt happen...then naturally that means 8 years later that automatically still applies.
got it. makes total sense.
Nope.....because THIS applies....
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but years past have shown that a Big 12 team that looked unbeatable during the regular season was VERY beatable once they played an elite SEC defense.
2000 NC - Oklahoma 13, FSU 2
2001 NC - Miami 37, Nebraska 14
2003 NC - LSU 21, Oklahoma 14
2004 NC - USC 55, Oklahoma 19
2005 NC - Texas 41, USC 38
2008 NC - Florida 24, Oklahoma 14
2009 NC - Alabama 37, Texas 21
Seems like the only schools that Big 12 teams can "hang half a hundred on" are other Big 12 teams.
This post was edited on 10/12/11 at 9:07 am
Posted on 10/12/11 at 9:04 am to bigbowe80
its really awful logic. i think LSU is better too, but using history as a reason for why something will happen again in the present is being extremely lazy.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 9:06 am to SG_Geaux
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You guys will never understand...
1. Not everyone is always going to have the same opinion as you. That's OK.
2. You have to take everything the TV guys says with a grain of salt because they are in it for the ratings.
3. They're all douche bags...
Posted on 10/12/11 at 9:06 am to bbap
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so because people thought OU would beat LSU in 2003 and it didnt happen...then naturally that means 8 years later that automatically still applies.
got it. makes total sense.
No, what it means is that OU has a history of beating up on lightweights and then getting beaten when they play a real opponent. Whether it be Wisconsin, Bama, or LSU, it will happen again.
Thanks for playing.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 9:08 am to Wolfhound45
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No, what it means is that OU has a history of beating up on lightweights and then getting beaten when they play a real opponent. Whether it be Wisconsin, Bama, or LSU, it will happen again.
if it happens it will be because those teams are better, not because it happened in 2003 or whatever year you want to pick. i agree that LSU is better, but your logic is just flat out terrible.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 9:10 am to bbap
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its really awful logic. i think LSU is better too, but using history as a reason for why something will happen again in the present is being extremely lazy.
Do you know a better way to prognosticate than by using historical references? I don't.
This post was edited on 10/12/11 at 9:11 am
Posted on 10/12/11 at 9:12 am to LSU82BILL
yeah maybe compare the teams playing this year. i mean skyler green was awesome but i dont think he's going to help us beat oklahoma this year.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 9:16 am to DisplacedTIGERsFAN
I just ran the numbers on the Johnson account...
I looked at the following rankings for the opponents of LSU, OK, and Bama:
Offense
Scoring offense
Defense
Scoring defense
Record
LSU's opponents' ranking average:
Offense 63
Scoring Offense: 59
Defense 54
Scoring Defense 45
Record 4-2
Bama's opponents' ranking average:
Offense 87
Scoring Offense: 81
Defense 43
Scoring Defense 48
Record 3-3
OK's opponents' ranking average:
Offense 59
Scoring Offense: 60
Defense 57
Scoring Defense 65
Record 3-3
LSU's opponents average better than Bama's opponents in all categories except Total Defense.
LSU's opponents average better than OK's opponents in all categories except Total Offense.
OK's opponents average better offensive stats than Bama's, but Bama's opponents average better defensive stats than OK's. Both teams' opponents averaged the same W/Ls, only LSU opponents averaged to a winning record.
Interpret that as you may...
:ib4tl;drcsbdiafetc...:
I looked at the following rankings for the opponents of LSU, OK, and Bama:
Offense
Scoring offense
Defense
Scoring defense
Record
LSU's opponents' ranking average:
Offense 63
Scoring Offense: 59
Defense 54
Scoring Defense 45
Record 4-2
Bama's opponents' ranking average:
Offense 87
Scoring Offense: 81
Defense 43
Scoring Defense 48
Record 3-3
OK's opponents' ranking average:
Offense 59
Scoring Offense: 60
Defense 57
Scoring Defense 65
Record 3-3
LSU's opponents average better than Bama's opponents in all categories except Total Defense.
LSU's opponents average better than OK's opponents in all categories except Total Offense.
OK's opponents average better offensive stats than Bama's, but Bama's opponents average better defensive stats than OK's. Both teams' opponents averaged the same W/Ls, only LSU opponents averaged to a winning record.
Interpret that as you may...
:ib4tl;drcsbdiafetc...:
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