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re: ESPN - Shady's Bar employees: "Victims threw first punch"
Posted on 8/25/11 at 8:38 pm to Wild Thang
Posted on 8/25/11 at 8:38 pm to Wild Thang
I think the he-said she-said scale just tipped to the he-said side
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Posted on 8/25/11 at 8:38 pm to Swoopin
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I can't imagine it ever being in a local bar's interest to throw the team under the bus, but maybe they're for real.
I definitely understand thinking that but imo if Lowery didnt start the fight and Im the bar owner I just stay very quiet. You dont want to piss off your customers but you also dont want to end up with a civil suit by pissing off the "victims". By them coming out and saying this publicly tells me they are telling the truth.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 8:38 pm to JPLSU1981
This is gonna end well.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 8:38 pm to EricB
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EricB
keep trying but looks like a team sweep comeback
Posted on 8/25/11 at 8:38 pm to Methuselah
It doesn't matter if he threw the first punch. Once he was on the ground he was not a threat and that's when JJ kicked him in the face. JJ's fricked!
Posted on 8/25/11 at 8:39 pm to JPLSU1981
boom?
Posted on 8/25/11 at 8:39 pm to stapuffmarshy
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We were all loaded every night we worked, liquor or something, just saying
I guess it's more of a restaurant thing then? Or maybe just where I worked? It sucked arse, but we knew we'd get our asses fired if we were caught. It blew because there were nights that it would have been nice to just have a little something after a shitty day.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 8:39 pm to Geaux2002
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2) How is who started it relevant to charges of 2nd degree battery. Just cause someone swings first doesn't mean it's okay to kick then while they are down and defenseless at the end of the fight.
This is all I have to say about this.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 8:39 pm to musick
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So how are they "victims" if they started the fight? Cause they lost?
pretty much what I've said the entire time...Just because you picked a fight with beasts who can do legitimate damage doesn't make you a victim.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 8:39 pm to JPLSU1981
Well, according to nola.com, it was an Associated Press story. This adds some validity to the story IMO.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 8:39 pm to Swoopin
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I can't imagine it ever being in a local bar's interest to throw the team under the bus, but maybe they're for real.
The "victim" starting the whole fight, while in itself does not exonerate any LSU players, certainly helps the PR battle.
Most people would not have a problem with the LSU player(s) defending themselves as opposed to actively seeking out some random guy to beat up.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 8:39 pm to EricB
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-Lowery and girlfriend break up -Lowery stalks x-girlfriend at home and then at bar -Lowery not happy with Brad Wing for talking to his x-girlfriend and cusses at and punches him -Lowery kicked out of Shady's -Lowery (and friends that came to pick him up)waits on x-girlfriend and/or football players in parking lot so that he can start crap -All hell breaks loose in parking lot -Lowery gets beat down
- Andrew Lowery is incapacitated (as shown on video)
- Andrew Lowery is kicked in the face by a taller than average black male (which is also shown on the video)
PR is PR - but the LAW is the LAW. All the DA needs is that video + motive. Witnesses provide motive, even the ones who think they are helping JJ.
Shouldn't the employees be able to ID the kicker then? Or did they only see an inside the bar punch and have nothing on what actually happened outside?
Posted on 8/25/11 at 8:39 pm to BhamTigah
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The combination of adrenaline and alcohol makes it pretty hard to stop just because someone hits the ground.
That's what I am saying. In my eyes that is when the most testosterone shows. That is when the fight is really capped off when you can really make them remember not to frick with you again.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 8:40 pm to Statestreet
Why did we go an entire week only hearing one side of the story? 
Posted on 8/25/11 at 8:40 pm to EricB
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PR is PR - but the LAW is the LAW. All the DA needs is that video + motive. Witnesses provide motive, even the ones who think they are helping JJ.
They can decide what to charge him with...if they werent the aggressors then it will probably be a lesser charge I would think. Im not an attorney though.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 8:40 pm to EricB
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Witnesses provide motive
It would seem the motive was being punched by the "victim", no?
Posted on 8/25/11 at 8:40 pm to FANATIC
If some dude takes a swing at me and im drunk, Im gonna take him down beat him best I can and chances are I might kick him in the ribs or something
Posted on 8/25/11 at 8:41 pm to EricB
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Andrew Lowery is kicked in the face by a taller than average black male (which is also shown on the video)
You can't tell that shite at all. Posted on 8/25/11 at 8:41 pm to GregMaddux
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Why did we go an entire week only hearing one side of the story?
Because if this is how it started would it even be national?
ETA: Or as big at least.
This post was edited on 8/25/11 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 8/25/11 at 8:41 pm to JPLSU1981
Neldare is one of my friends, I'll have to call him and ask about it
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