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re: Eric Reid says that his protests are keeping him unsigned
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:04 pm to DBG
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:04 pm to DBG
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That’s horseshite. If someone has to choose between playing football and making a statement, then there is a systemic problem.
And stop comparing the NFL to your shitty cubicle job.
Why no comparison? At their core, they are both just jobs. Of course, one pays far more and the employees are far more recognizable than most employees. But that doesn't change anything. In the real world if an employer thinks an person may be bad for business, then he doesn't hire him/her. Why should the NFL be any different?
The NFL creates more black millionaires that probably 99.9% of other businesses in the United States. That's pretty good for a systemically racist enterprise. Imagine what would happen if the NFL and its franchises actually hated black people?
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Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:05 pm to nitwit
quote:
Reid has a right to protest. And Reid may be right about systemic oppression.
However, if he is right, he also knows that his "oppressors" don't view it that way and that they are numerous and powerful.
He should not be surprised that expressing his view, no matter how meritorious, could have adverse consequences for his marketability.
Succinctly, he can be right, or he can be popular. Regrettably, not both.
Not really. Protest without action or at least a plan is just whining. "I don't like this". And you are going to do what, exactly? Because kneeling accomplished nothing. Start a foundation. Start a public ad campaign. Start up a team to get police working with communities. These guys act like they did a damn thing, they didn't. Victim my arse. No one would be giving any of them crap had they started a volunteer effort to improve police and community relations, I guarantee. Their chosen method of saying something is about as crappy as what they are getting for it.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:05 pm to calcotron
quote:Kap actually did a shite ton. I give him kudos for that
These guys act like they did a damn thing, they didn't
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:06 pm to calcotron
Kaepernick has donated a TON of time and money towards exactly those things and he’s despised.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:06 pm to DBG
quote:
That’s horseshite. If someone has to choose between playing football and making a statement, then there is a systemic problem.
That’s not True at all.
I personally believe that Eric Reid has every right to protest however he wants as long as it is peaceful (which he has). But he is not immune to any consequences that may follow his actions.
1) the success of the NFL (or any pro league really) depends on the support of the fans. Actions that piss off and push away fans directly affect the bottom line. No business wants to employ a guy that is going to cost them customers.
2) teams are so equally talented in the NFL that any distractions can cost you wins. A guy that is going to put his own personal beliefs/politics above the team is not good for the organization. Regardless of his reasoning, his antics create a sideshow.
With that said, I believe that if Eric Reid would tell organizations that the team will be more important to him than his protest then he will be employed. If he continues to act as though his protest trumps all, then he’ll find a seat next Kap.
It has nothing to do with teams being racist towards him and everything to do with being an unnecessary distraction.
This post was edited on 3/16/18 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:06 pm to Dstllsu
Not sure what you don't understand
It's several others have said, he and others can say whatever they want and do whatever they want, but there's always a consequence. Don't bitch about the consequence. It was obviously worth the statement in his mind so just live with the consequence and stfu
Or quit letting the system oppress you broski and go get a real job. Surely, he could earn a better living doing something else
It's several others have said, he and others can say whatever they want and do whatever they want, but there's always a consequence. Don't bitch about the consequence. It was obviously worth the statement in his mind so just live with the consequence and stfu
Or quit letting the system oppress you broski and go get a real job. Surely, he could earn a better living doing something else
This post was edited on 3/16/18 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:06 pm to High C
On 1 hand, I get it, it sucks to have your beliefs hold you back in professional development, on the other hand, you CANNOT complain about it if you are outspoken because there's a very good reason people are ALYWAS told don't bring your political stances to work. Giving employers any reason to hold you back for a political point of view is just not intelligent.
Work is a place to get things done, not cause uproar and detract from the job at hand.
There are other means for you to accomplish what you want politcally (to get messages out, etc), so do not sit there and pout about folks not wanting to work with you because you brought politics into the workplace. If you want to complain about that you only have yourself to blame, and nobody is going to care what you label them, because you're the one that's pouting about it.
Work is a place to get things done, not cause uproar and detract from the job at hand.
There are other means for you to accomplish what you want politcally (to get messages out, etc), so do not sit there and pout about folks not wanting to work with you because you brought politics into the workplace. If you want to complain about that you only have yourself to blame, and nobody is going to care what you label them, because you're the one that's pouting about it.
This post was edited on 3/16/18 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:06 pm to Alt26
I don’t think any protest was aimed at the NFL itself
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:07 pm to DBG
He's obviously despised for the kneeling not the charity. I know that is difficult for you to understand.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:07 pm to High C
Good. What a dumb frick
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:09 pm to LSU Patrick
Right, so a peaceful 2 minute protest outweighs the million bucks he donated.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:09 pm to DBG
quote:Maybe initially, but he's gone and made it about something else right away. Pretty sure he just blacklisted himself.
I said Eric is wrong about this. The more likely scenario is the slow safety free agency market
I mean, he's not better than other options out there. So if you were signing people and they're about equal, would you bring in someone who's focused on the game, or someone focused on his perceived persecution?
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:09 pm to DBG
quote:It wasnt. Doesnt matter though. It brought negative attention to its employer.
I don’t think any protest was aimed at the NFL itself
I honestly have a hard time fathoming how dumb they were at choosing kneeling during the anthem to get their message across. Their message was immediately lost by choosing this. And IMHO, I think alot of them didnt give a frick about any message, they simply wanted to be defiant for the sake of defiance.
This post was edited on 3/16/18 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:10 pm to Scoob
He definitely shouldn’t have started with this this early on in free agency
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:10 pm to High C
quote:
Reid's tweet: quote: The notion that I can be a great signing for your team for cheap, not because of my skill set but because I’ve protested systemic oppression, is ludicrous. If you think is, then your mindset is part of the problem too.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. When you are on your own time, fine. When you work for me, you do what i say. I pay you millions to perform, not to make political statements on my dime. see ya when the cows come home.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:10 pm to Stephen1979
I'm speaking of the public outrage. Teams can certainly hire who they choose. Players have been employed with far more egregious resumes. My objection is to all those with pitchforks
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:13 pm to DBG
quote:
That’s horse shite. If someone has to choose between playing football and making a statement, then there is a systemic problem.
No one is going to change any minds about this type of thing overnight.
He had to know that there was going to be backlash for what he was doing. If he didn't know, then it calls into question why he was doing what he was doing. Did he just get caught up in emotion with a teammate?
I was never angry about this like a lot of other people in this thread. I frequently find myself on the opposite end of political discussions that arise on this board. Additionally, I don't take pleasure in him being unemployed as some in this thread seem to be.
But for him to complain about not being able to earn a living because of his protests really just rubs me the wrong way. Job stability in the NFL is a precarious state of being in the first place.
Him complaining after the fact really makes what he did seem less noble and more foolish or naïve, as if he would've never done it if he'd known this was going to happen.
This post was edited on 3/16/18 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:14 pm to Oneforthemoney
Ultimately what you say is true- teams can sign whoever they want, for whatever reason they want.
Here is where I have an issue with a team not signing a player due to a protest, any protest, NFL teams have signed players with FAR more egregious actions.
You can’t tell me Eric Reid kneeling is a distraction but Greg Hardy throwing his girlfriend on a bed of AR-15’s and choking her out isn’t. Or Donte Stallworth and Leonard Little literally killing people. Or Pac-Man Jones bashing strippers teeth in. Just be honest about it all.
Here is where I have an issue with a team not signing a player due to a protest, any protest, NFL teams have signed players with FAR more egregious actions.
You can’t tell me Eric Reid kneeling is a distraction but Greg Hardy throwing his girlfriend on a bed of AR-15’s and choking her out isn’t. Or Donte Stallworth and Leonard Little literally killing people. Or Pac-Man Jones bashing strippers teeth in. Just be honest about it all.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:16 pm to High C
It was OK to protest but they picked the wrong forum. Don’t shite on those who died for this country. Find another forum, march to D.C., do something other than disrespect those that gave us the privilege to play and watch football on Sunday. You have minorities literally dying to get to this country, fleeing real oppression. Sorry that one of our tigers got caught up in this ill-advised protest.
Posted on 3/16/18 at 2:17 pm to DBG
quote:I am honest. None of those things brought about as much negative attention as the protests.
You can’t tell me Eric Reid kneeling is a distraction but Greg Hardy throwing his girlfriend on a bed of AR-15’s and choking her out isn’t. Or Donte Stallworth and Leonard Little literally killing people. Or Pac-Man Jones bashing strippers teeth in. Just be honest about it all.
You are the one who needs to be honest.
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