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re: Eliminate all BS games and expand the playoffs
Posted on 12/29/15 at 9:38 am to sicboy
Posted on 12/29/15 at 9:38 am to sicboy
quote:It's hard to compare college football to everyone else. Far more teams than NFL, plus the NFL players are doing their job, not going to school. Smaller divisions do not have the fan/travel/money issues. Basketball is too easy to play more games. Everything would be an apples/oranges situation.
but why is college football so special as to be really the only organized sport to just pick the top two teams to play for the title as opposed to letting it play out in a playoff? Correct me if I'm wrong, but NOBODY ELSE does that.
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Posted on 12/29/15 at 9:43 am to Bayoufightingtiger
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Force all teams to join a conference first and foremost. Just play conference games and make all conferences have a championship game for conferences that have separate divisions.
There's no way to just play conference games. The big time programs aren't going to accept playing six home and six away games every year. They need a minimum of seven home games with eight home games at least every other year. That means the ability to schedule OOC teams (and even out of league, which I don't like) from weaker conferences...the "cupcakes" and "rent-a-wins".
That produces a large conference with a big difference between the top and bottom. It doesn't really make sense to enforce any playoff scheme designed for a system with built-in parity measures onto the FBS with its inherent disparity.
I do agree that the "power" conferences should all have divisions and a conference championship game. I don't like seeing Oklahoma sitting on its arse and cruising into the playoff while other teams have to play their way in for an extra week.
I'd like to go back the BCS but expand it to four teams.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 9:47 am to TigerEye13
You guys make a lot of sense but it calls for way too much change. In other words it ain't gonna happen boys. A real plan that I think will/could happen within the next 5 years is as follows.....
8 team playoff ( 5 power five champs, and yes big 12 needs a championship game to come to the party, plus the highest rated mid major player i.e. Houston, and 2 wild card teams just in case Notre Dame is good or 2 teams from the same conference are really deserving, like in 2011, say what you will but LSU and Bama were light years ahead of everyone else that year)
First Round can be hosted by 4 early bowl games (like has been said before there are way to many and teams with losing records are being invited just to fill spots. This would fill at least 8 spots so this year even teams with 6-6 records are not guaranteed a bowl)
After this keep final 4 the same and there you have it. Problem solved
8 team playoff ( 5 power five champs, and yes big 12 needs a championship game to come to the party, plus the highest rated mid major player i.e. Houston, and 2 wild card teams just in case Notre Dame is good or 2 teams from the same conference are really deserving, like in 2011, say what you will but LSU and Bama were light years ahead of everyone else that year)
First Round can be hosted by 4 early bowl games (like has been said before there are way to many and teams with losing records are being invited just to fill spots. This would fill at least 8 spots so this year even teams with 6-6 records are not guaranteed a bowl)
After this keep final 4 the same and there you have it. Problem solved
This post was edited on 12/29/15 at 9:49 am
Posted on 12/29/15 at 9:52 am to GoldenTrumpeter
Perhaps a major restructuring is in order, as some other posters have suggested. Let's split the FBS up into two leagues with two separate championships. Have inter-league play during the season so the "power conference" teams can get enough home games. As long as we have a huge league with a major talent gap between the top and bottom conferences, the championship process is always going to be a bit of a mess.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 9:53 am to Bayoufightingtiger
Actually, it doesn't have to be that much of a change. You could leave everything the same, including the bowl games (with payouts, too.) Just divide the bowls up in tiers. First tier bowls would be the first round, second tier the second round, and so on. The LOSER get's the payout in whatever bowl they lost in and the winner continues advancing in the playoffs to higher tier bowls. You could rotate the Championship between the Fiesta, Orange, Sugar, and Rose. Problem solved, with payouts and you keep all of your bowl games and current scheduling.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 9:54 am to TommyDaTiger
Sounds good to me. You are right in that there is not going to be any major restructuring, at least not any time soon.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 9:57 am to Bayoufightingtiger
This is retarded.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 9:57 am to magicman0001
A system that would have a team playing in more than one bowl game would really change what a bowl game is supposed to be. I think that is part of the inertia that will have to be overcome to go beyond a 4 team playoff in the FBS.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 10:11 am to sicboy
No one is saying that there are legitimately 12-16 teams deserving of playing for the national championship.
Most years, the BCS was about 2-4 teams with real claims. To expand it to 8, regardless of how many teams the NCAA has, makes the season meaningful, and gives plenty enough teams a chance that no real crying is going to matter about being left out. You're not in the top 8, you didn't deserve a chance.
Most years, the BCS was about 2-4 teams with real claims. To expand it to 8, regardless of how many teams the NCAA has, makes the season meaningful, and gives plenty enough teams a chance that no real crying is going to matter about being left out. You're not in the top 8, you didn't deserve a chance.
This post was edited on 12/29/15 at 10:16 am
Posted on 12/29/15 at 10:49 am to caliegeaux
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8 teams with the old BCS formulas to determine top 8.
I like this and it would be a good first test and maybe the final solution. Great place to start.
I second this. This is a brilliant way to do it. It would be all you ever needed, imo. No need for a 16 team playoff.
I like this, too. just take the top 15 bowls and divide in tiers as I mentioned above (with payouts to the loser and the winner advances) and rotate the champ game between the 4 major bowls. You could also keep the lesser bowls as some of you mentioned for the other schools who have great seasons, but not championship caliber seasons. Hell, they could include the smaller 1A schools, too. (Not 1AA/FCS) There, you have your 40 bowls PLUS the 8 team playoff with a selection process similar to the BCS formula.
I also don't like the idea of 6-6/5-7 teams making ANY bowl game. Give it to smaller 1A schools who have great seasons. Anyone P5 conference/school want to complain? WIN YOUR GAMES. PERIOD.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 11:43 am to Bayoufightingtiger
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Force all teams to join a conference first and foremost. Just play conference games and make all conferences have a championship game for conferences that have separate divisions. The playoffs would all be meaningful bowl games hosted by the higher seed of the 2 teams. Designate the championship game each year to a predetermined location. Attendance would be up and more money to be made on the bowl games.
The playoffs as currently constructed suck. We saw last year and will likely see in the future that the committee basically pick the 4 teams with the most history or who will give the best TV matchup, with overall quality of the teams a secondary criteria.
Take the committee out of it.
1. Create 6 Division1 conferences with an equal number of teams (14 or 16). If you are not one of the 84 or 96 in one of these conferences, you play D2.
2. Every conference plays an equal number of games in and out of conference (9 and 3). Can only play games against these 84 or 96 D1 schools.
3. Every conference has a conference championship game.
4. Conference championship game is the de facto first round of the playoff. Don't win your conference championship, no playoff.
5. After the conference championship game, the 6 playoff teams are seeded. Top 2 get a bye, other 4 play each other. Higher seeds get a home game, or use the bowl locations, doesn't really matter.
6. After round 1, 4 teams left. Again, higher seed gets home game or use bowl, I don't care.
7. Last 2 play for championship at predetermined neutral site.
This will do a few things that I think are good.
1. Regular season will still be important and teams will not be penalized for scheduling and losing a game against a good non conference team. Potentially a lot more games like LSU-Wisconsin, Ohia St-Texas, TN-OU like weve seen the last few years.
2. Conferecne play is critical.
3. Essentially a 12 team playoff with conference championship serving as first round.
Yes, some years a team will get hot at the right time and win it all despite not playing well for much of the regular season.
Good for them, at least it will be decided in the field rather than a computer or a committee with an agenda.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 11:53 am to NoNameTiger
Why don't we just go to a 64 team playoff like they do in basketball. That way many teams get in the playoffs. Think how big that would be with TV ratings and what not?
Posted on 12/29/15 at 11:56 am to TN Bhoy
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B. Playoffs are fricking stupid and a terrible way to choose a champion
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:Posted on 12/29/15 at 11:57 am to BulkLogan1
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Playoffs are all about money.
Pointless bowl games are all about money.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 11:58 am to boxcar willie
get rid of the current conferances as they are a disadvantage to teams in tough conferances. Divide the country by east and west and come up with a champion of each side and let them play it out for the title. Each conference (eastern and western) could be divided up into 8 divisions of 8 teams each (not divided by region as southern teams would be at a disadvantage). Get a division winner and then 8 wild card teams from each conference and let them have a tounement to get the conference champ who will play the other conference champ for the title.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 12:13 pm to boxcar willie
I would settle for not having to wait a month for the bowl games to start then waiting another two weeks after the playoffs for the NC.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 12:53 pm to Bayoufightingtiger
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Eliminate all BS games and expand the playoffs
Why the down votes? I think playing all conference games would shorten the regular season, but later add 3 extra "playoff" games in November/December or January, giving the same total number of games. Quit playing patsy games.
Posted on 12/29/15 at 1:46 pm to BulkLogan1
"Playoffs only give more teams a chance at winning"... isnt that what the best team is supposed to do? keep winning?
Posted on 12/29/15 at 2:21 pm to Bayoufightingtiger
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Eliminate all BS games
But then our nice coach can't pad his yearly win loss record.
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