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re: Duplantis at Next Level
Posted on 6/6/19 at 7:31 am to Alt26
Posted on 6/6/19 at 7:31 am to Alt26
quote:This shows how little you know about the mlb draft which, by design, devalues seniors regardless of their abilities.
He was drafted in the 12th round. I think kind of tells you what “baseball guys” think of him as s prospect.
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 7:49 am to tigerbait915
He May make it but he is going to have to have a really OBP to be able to. He is fast and knows how to put the barrel to a baseball. MLB today is all about power and launch angles and are ok with strikeouts now but analytics still values OBP and getting on for those power guys.
Basically, there is a place for Duplantis types in the MLB but I feel there are a lot of guys just like him in the minors for a few spots in major league lineups. If he can develop into an elite defender in center it could help but I believe he is a left fielder at the next level. MLB teams like power guys in that spot and are ok sacrificing defense.
Basically, there is a place for Duplantis types in the MLB but I feel there are a lot of guys just like him in the minors for a few spots in major league lineups. If he can develop into an elite defender in center it could help but I believe he is a left fielder at the next level. MLB teams like power guys in that spot and are ok sacrificing defense.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 8:07 am to ccomeaux
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Will never see a MLB field
Already has.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 8:19 am to tigerbait915
Think of some other position players in the past, in particularly OF, and how AD compares to them. I hope he makes it and sticks, but it's hard to imagine that he will with some of the names in the below link that couldn't/haven't.
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 8:20 am to Geauxld Finger
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Needs to learn to hit opposite field
The MLB's going to tell him he needs to pull it more and hit it over the fence
Posted on 6/6/19 at 9:02 am to ell_13
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This shows how little you know about the mlb draft which, by design, devalues seniors regardless of their abilities.
Duplantis and Mangum are both seniors and somewhat similar player statistically. One was a 12th round pick and the other a 4th round pick.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 9:28 am to tigerbait915
At the plate, Duplantis has a short, simple stroke. He uses a very small stride and has a quick, balanced swing through the zone that produces a slight bit of lift. He has quick hands and excellent bat control, allowing him to get to most pitches in the zone and just outside of it. The approach hamstrings him a bit, as he generally puts the ball in play regardless if he is able to drive the ball or not. He has great hand-eye coordination but lacks much power potential.His bat control and pitch recognition has also resulted in his being a tough strikeout.
Despite being from a family of runners, Antoine is not particularly fast for a baseball player. He has fringe-average-to-average speed, having progressively gotten a bit slower as he’s filled in over the course of his four years in school. He does have a quick first step out of the box, though, making him a solid runner on the base paths, and has solid base-runner instincts, and he is able to cover enough ground to play any of the outfield positions. He reads the ball well off the bat, has a quick first step and plenty of closing speed once he gets going.
He is considered a plus fielder but has a below average arm for right field.
Despite being from a family of runners, Antoine is not particularly fast for a baseball player. He has fringe-average-to-average speed, having progressively gotten a bit slower as he’s filled in over the course of his four years in school. He does have a quick first step out of the box, though, making him a solid runner on the base paths, and has solid base-runner instincts, and he is able to cover enough ground to play any of the outfield positions. He reads the ball well off the bat, has a quick first step and plenty of closing speed once he gets going.
He is considered a plus fielder but has a below average arm for right field.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 9:28 am to weadjust
And he will sign way under slot to save the Mets money. He’s also a switch hitter and has been drafted 3 times now. Twice by the Mets. It’s like freeman and KRob going in the 4th as seniors too. Just there to save teams money on flyers in later rounds. Again, the devaluing is the point.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 9:30 am
Posted on 6/6/19 at 9:32 am to ell_13
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This shows how little you know about the mlb draft which, by design, devalues seniors regardless of their abilities.
I mean, this isn't completely false, but as one poster pointed out, look at the Mangum selection... also, as a Jr. in perhaps his best year from a leverage standpoint, AD was drafted in the 19th round. So he actually IMPROVED his draft position in his senior season. That is contrary to the point you are trying to make.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 9:38 am to ell_13
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It’s like freeman and KRob going in the 4th as seniors too. Just there to save teams money on flyers in later rounds. Again, the devaluing is the point.
These are examples of why he could have been taken much sooner. He didn’t go higher because they don’t think any of his tools project. They’re not saving anything on him by taking him in the 12th round.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:14 am to MOT
As a senior, he has no leverage and is not considered an elite prospect so that’s why he lasted until the 12th round. The majors prioritze tools and upside over statistical production in college. Unless he works on launch angle with the idea of providing more gap and/or HR power, he will not make it. He is not elite at any one thing.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 10:15 am
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:17 am to tigerbait915
Does he stick at RF or does he make the move to LF in the Bigs?
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:23 am to MOT
His comparison would be a player like Poche, not Mangum.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:26 am to tigerbait915
He's a 3 tool player. All 3 tools will have to be ++ for him to make a career in the MLB.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:30 am to roger79
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As a senior, he has no leverage and is not considered an elite prospect so that’s why he lasted until the 12th round.
Seniors with anything projectable are taken in rounds 5-10 precisely because they have no leverage. It’s his lack of projectable skills that made him last until the 12th, not his lack of leverage or any sort of devaluing of seniors.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:47 am to MOT
Do they not save money by undersigning in the 12th? If they don’t, then I admit I’m completely wrong.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:50 am to Geauxld Finger
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Needs to learn to hit opposite field
You Serious Clark?
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:55 am to ell_13
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Do they not save money by undersigning in the 12th? If they don’t, then I admit I’m completely wrong.
They don't. It's entirely possible that they waited until after the 10th round because the intended to pay him a decent bonus. He could get a better bonus where he was drafted than the guys (including Mangum) who were drafted from 4-10.
They have to save a ton of money to sign their first 3 picks. They'll have to essentially go 5x slot for Matt Allen. If Duplantis were drafted in the top 10 rounds, he'd probably have gotten like $5k.
At least now he stands a chance to get up to $125k without any of it counting against the bonus pool.
ETA: They save in real dollars, sure. But they don't save pool money. Which is what we're really discussing. It's MLB, they aren't playing with real real dollars anyway.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 10:57 am
Posted on 6/6/19 at 11:03 am to ProjectP2294
So now the two guys who I respect most on this topic are contradicting each other. 
Who is valued more to the Mets? Mangum who they can underpay to save but they drafted 8 rounds higher or Dup who they can pay whatever up to 125k without penalty?
Who is valued more to the Mets? Mangum who they can underpay to save but they drafted 8 rounds higher or Dup who they can pay whatever up to 125k without penalty?
Posted on 6/6/19 at 11:05 am to ell_13
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Who is valued more to the Mets?
Neither?
TBH, I don't think Mangum is going to get anywhere close to slot, but I don't think he's going to get low balled the same way the other top 10 picks will.
And I don't think Duplantis will get $125K, but I think he will get more than picks 5-10.
ETA: There are only 3 picks in the draft that the Mets value currently. Anything they get above that is gravy.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 11:07 am
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