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re: Dorsey and Bowe struggling in KC
Posted on 8/13/09 at 7:14 pm to brad8504
Posted on 8/13/09 at 7:14 pm to brad8504
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If there is no blitz, the interior D-Linemen are usually the ones getting double-teamed
usually the center goes for a DT and the free guard slides to help the OT who is lined up against the best speed rusher
and if interior DL get doubled teamed, like i said earlier, it's your big DTs who are strong enough to require 2 blockers
on the chefs, that's tank tyler
Posted on 8/13/09 at 7:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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usually the center goes for a DT and the free guard slides to help the OT who is lined up against the best speed rusher
Oh, so the guard helps to slide on the best speed rusher for the Chiefs? Who the frick might that be? Again, like someone else pointed out, there is no DE that warrants a double team on the Chiefs.
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and if interior DL get doubled teamed, like i said earlier, it's your big DTs who are strong enough to require 2 blockers
This is basically true for rushing plays. On pass plays, usually the player who gets the most interior pass rush will get the double team.
Posted on 8/13/09 at 7:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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gunther cunningham loves the blitz like few others
Not in recent years. Their LBs and CBs accounted for exactly 2 sacks last year.
Posted on 8/13/09 at 7:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
The ENTIRE team has 10 sacks last year.. TEN You are actually complaining about Dorsey accounting for just 1 of them?
Dorsey didnt do anything special but shite.. To say he is overrated in one year on a shite team playing out of position is a bit much..
Dorsey didnt do anything special but shite.. To say he is overrated in one year on a shite team playing out of position is a bit much..
Posted on 8/14/09 at 2:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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usually the center goes for a DT and the free guard slides to help the OT who is lined up against the best speed rusher
and if interior DL get doubled teamed, like i said earlier, it's your big DTs who are strong enough to require 2 blockers
on the chefs, that's tank tyler
You're wrong again, SFP. I played OL, so I know a thing or two about blocking schemes. The center, in pass protection, has his head on a swivel (as we like to call it) and he's looking for a blitz or pressure from one of the interior linemen (DT). The guard is seldom freed from blocking one of the interior guys. He'll pass the DT off to the center if the DT rushes inside, and if there's a blitz, the guard that's free will pick it up. The tackles are usually on their own with the DEs unless they get help from the halfback or fullback. In no way is a guard freed up that fast that they immediately go after the best speed rusher. In fact, it's very, very rare that you see them slide that far out to help with a DE. That frees up a huge gap in the line for a LB to come in hard on a delayed blitz and wreck the play. Tackles play their position for a reason: because they can usually handle the DE by themselves.
Just stop posting on the subject. You don't know what you're talking about.
This post was edited on 8/14/09 at 3:02 am
Posted on 8/14/09 at 2:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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they were really big, but you could get around them with fast DL
you just didn't see many fast DL in the big12 last year
This sounds like some third grade shite right here. You're an absolute moron. You've solidified that status long ago, but this thread has just about etched it in stone.
Posted on 8/14/09 at 8:12 am to ATL_Tiger
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Again, like someone else pointed out, there is no DE that warrants a double team on the Chiefs.
and i'd like to point out again that the DT that warrants a double team on the chefs is tyler
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usually the player who gets the most interior pass rush will get the double team.
sadly tha may be tank tyler also
Posted on 8/14/09 at 8:16 am to SlowFlowPro
I think some of you forget that he was a rookie last season and it's just his second year. It usually akes 3 to 4 years to get adjusted to the league.
Posted on 8/14/09 at 8:16 am to brad8504
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I played OL
in the NFL?
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The center, in pass protection, has his head on a swivel (as we like to call it) and he's looking for a blitz or pressure from one of the interior linemen (DT).
this depends on the scheme
with a DT lined up DIRECTLY over the center like tank tyler was, the center will have to engage
this creates the gaps to shoot for the 3-tech DT, which dorsey was supposed to be in the old tampa2-esque scheme
it's pretty much impossible to double a 3-tech DT in the tampa 2 for this reason. there will be 3 DL lined up over 3 OL due to alignment of the DL. on the weak side of the DL you'll put your best pass rusher, who is INCREDIBLY important for his pass rushing
Posted on 8/14/09 at 8:18 am to brad8504
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This sounds like some third grade shite right here.
stating fact?
other than okapro, who were the speed rushers in the big12?
the big12 has shitty defense. soft schemes and a lack of talent outside of the big 2
Posted on 8/14/09 at 8:19 am to Harv1790
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he was a rookie last season
for a rookie he was disappointing
i don't think anyone expected around 10 sacks for him, even though other rookies had done that before
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It usually akes 3 to 4 years to get adjusted to the league.
well DT is an easy transition position, like RB
the problem is now that dorsey is a man without a position on the team he's on currently
Posted on 8/14/09 at 8:21 am to SlowFlowPro
it still comes down to the fact that if he can't stay healthy or get in shape, he is going to have a very short career. There were rumors about him being traded during the offseason (KC would have taken the cap hit) and he didn't play well last year whether u want to admit it or not. Ellis is the better DT of the 2 at this point and not admitting that is blind homerism
Posted on 8/14/09 at 8:23 am to TigerBait1127
The talks of him being traded were b/c he isn't a 3-4 DT
Posted on 8/14/09 at 8:23 am to SlowFlowPro
So let me get this straight.. If I incorporate a west coast scheme for my team and I draft Barry Sanders to be my RB then when he doesnt do well IN ONLY ONE SEASON then Barry Sanders is overrated? Gotcha 
Posted on 8/14/09 at 8:24 am to TigerBait1127
yeah ellis wasn't as good as advertised either, but he was better than dorsey
dorsey HAS to be traded for his own sake
dorsey HAS to be traded for his own sake
Posted on 8/14/09 at 8:25 am to Catman88
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If I incorporate a west coast scheme for my team and I draft Barry Sanders to be my RB then when he doesnt do well IN ONLY ONE SEASON then Barry Sanders is overrated?
drafting barry sanders for a west coast team would be more stupid than drafting dorsey when you run a 3-4 (i know the person who drafted dorsey didn't run a 3-4)
Posted on 8/14/09 at 8:41 am to Harv1790
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The talks of him being traded were b/c he isn't a 3-4 DT
i'm aware of that, but its also because they are disappointed in his play. They were willing to take a huge cap hit over him, which is a big deal even if they are going to the 3-4 defense
Posted on 8/14/09 at 9:38 am to TigerBait1127
Holy hell that's some stupid shite; if either one had a better year, it was Dorsey over Ellis. Just stop proving ignorance. In fact, please stop associating with LSU & Saints fans; people see the stupid coming out of you and it looks bad on the rest of us.
Posted on 8/14/09 at 9:44 am to TigerBait1127
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Ellis is the better DT of the 2 at this point and not admitting that is blind homerism
Like I said earlier in this thread, I didn't see Ellis do anything that Dorsey didn't do. So Ellis had 2 more pass deflections.....who gives a shite. Both didn't play well but Dorsey had more tackles than Ellis on FAR worse team.
Posted on 8/14/09 at 9:52 am to simmons2112
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So Ellis had 2 more pass deflections
and like 5 times the sacks
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