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re: Dorsey and Bowe struggling in KC
Posted on 8/11/09 at 6:13 pm to el tigre
Posted on 8/11/09 at 6:13 pm to el tigre
Sedrick Ellis had 30 tackles and 4 sacks, Dorsey was better than him on the tackling end, but Dorsey IMO has been playin hurt for awhile now, I hope he has finally fully recovered from that chop block.
This post was edited on 8/11/09 at 6:14 pm
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Posted on 8/11/09 at 6:30 pm to tubucoco
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Sedrick Ellis had 30 tackles and 4 sacks, Dorsey was better than him on the tackling end, but Dorsey IMO has been playin hurt for awhile now, I hope he has finally fully recovered from that chop block.
Ellis played hurt last year along with missing 3 games (along with most of the 4th). Ellis was much better last year than Dorsey IMO.
Anyway, Dorseys days may be limited in the NFL. You're right, he can't get healthy and failed his conditioning test
Posted on 8/11/09 at 9:17 pm to PAtiger21
Bowe has came into is own. He is their leading reciever and Dorsey will do his thang this year!!
Posted on 8/13/09 at 1:21 am to el tigre
quote:There was a guy taken 12th overall in a draft by a team that was 27th in the league in total defense and produced 25 team sacks during 'this guy's' rookie year. The next season, they produced 35 sacks, good for 15th in the league, and ranked 11th in total defense. Anyhow, back to that 'guy' - here were his stats his first season,when they were the 27th defense in the league :
not shitty, but pretty sure you expect a litte more out of a top 5 pick.
16 games, 27 tackles, 3 sacks, 1 forced fumble
Reminder - Dorsey's rookie season:
16 games, 46 tackles, 1 sack, 1 forced fumble
In 'that guy's' career of 13 seasons, he averaged 15.23 games a season, 44 tackles per season, 7.423 sacks per season, and 1.46 forced fumbles per season. Seems he turned out pretty good, eh? Particularly as his team's defensive unit got better. Know who that was?
Warren Sapp.
I know the person I quoted wasn't particularly calling out Dorsey, but I'm trying to stress the question, what do people expect from him? I mean really, the numbers Dorsey put up on *that* defense are pretty phenominal.
Maybe it was that article written about a certain NY Jet guard that pretty much handled Dorsey one-on-one, limiting him to one tackle on the day in which he pursued and made the play. That guard? Just all pro, probable future hall of famer, best active guard in the league, a guy LSU fans should know as Alan Faneca.
Some folks need to check their expectations...
Posted on 8/13/09 at 3:18 am to TigerBait1127
Not to mention that Ellis was eating double teams all season long.
Posted on 8/13/09 at 3:46 am to el tigre
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not shitty, but pretty sure you expect a litte more out of a top 5 pick.
Seriously? He's a defensive lineman. He's not going to rack up 100+ tackles. More sacks? Maybe. He got double-teamed a lot, and his position happens to be one of the toughest to make the transition from college to pro. The NFL is not the SEC.
As for being "too big" to play DE, that's a dumb arse statement. You want a big DE in a 3-4 scheme. If he's going to play a 5-tech and and plug the "B" gap between guard and tackle, you want a guy with his size. Height doesn't have shite to do with it.
Posted on 8/13/09 at 7:17 am to MJRuffalo
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Not to mention that Ellis was eating double teams all season long
I dont know what you're trying to prove with that, but Dorsey played the same role.
Posted on 8/13/09 at 7:23 am to maburu2
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Defensive lineman Glenn Dorsey missed several days of training camp because he was not in good enough condition to practice.
nobody has mentioned this yet? get your p&g glasses off. he has been slacking off
Posted on 8/13/09 at 7:29 am to TigerBait1127
Just curious but how many of you actually WATCH KC play to have any idea how Dorsey looks in a game? I know with the NFL network it must be hard choosing a game between watching two playoff teams compete versus watching some team drub KC. 
Ever look at KC's DL roster?? Its not like there is anyone there to protect Dorsey for getting all the attention. Their defense is horrible.
Ever look at KC's DL roster?? Its not like there is anyone there to protect Dorsey for getting all the attention. Their defense is horrible.
Posted on 8/13/09 at 8:14 am to RelocatedPelican
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I mean really, the numbers Dorsey put up on *that* defense are pretty phenominal.
did you watch any KC games? dorsey was pretty much a non-factor
tackles are nothing. they're generally stats reported by the team. they're inflated as the team deems necessary
dorsey was supposed to be the best pass rushing and more NFL ready DT in years, and he got 1 sack. ONE
what he showed in KC last year was a lack of athleticism and technique. this year he showed a lack of drive
Posted on 8/13/09 at 8:16 am to brad8504
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He's a defensive lineman. He's not going to rack up 100+ tackles. More sacks? Maybe. He got double-teamed a lot,
in the 12-13 KC games last year i watched i never saw dorsey get double teamed
double teams against sub 340-lb DTs are very rare in the NFL
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and his position happens to be one of the toughest to make the transition from college to pro
2nd easiest behind RB
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You want a big DE in a 3-4 scheme.
you want a guy who is like 6-4 or 6-5 and 300 lbs. that's the ideal 3-4 DE size
Posted on 8/13/09 at 8:17 am to Catman88
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Ever look at KC's DL roster?? Its not like there is anyone there to protect Dorsey for getting all the attention.
um, tank tyler?
he gets the double teams IF they ever occur
Posted on 8/13/09 at 8:22 am to SlowFlowPro
bank on it, bowe will have a 1000yd receiving.
Posted on 8/13/09 at 8:26 am to lsu xman
i'm not worried about bowe. he's proven he's a beast and is a top 10 WR already after only his 2nd year
Posted on 8/13/09 at 8:36 am to RelocatedPelican
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Dorsey overrated?
Yeah if Dorsey was overrated then fatass Sedrick Ellis was also overrated. Both had average years for below average defenses.
Posted on 8/13/09 at 8:37 am to simmons2112
ellis got hurt and outproduced dorsey in the stat cats that matter
Posted on 8/13/09 at 8:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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ellis got hurt and outproduced dorsey in the stat cats that matter
Dude, their stats are almost identical....Dorsey had more tackles on the worst defense in the league. Explain to me how friggin' tackles isn't the most important stat?
Posted on 8/13/09 at 8:44 am to simmons2112
1 sack in 16 games is disappointing.
my guess is the bigger OL in the NFL is too big for him to push around.
my guess is the bigger OL in the NFL is too big for him to push around.
Posted on 8/13/09 at 8:45 am to simmons2112
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Dude, their stats are almost identical.
ellis: 4 sacks
dorsey: 1 sack
ellis: 5 passes defensed
dorsey: 1 pass defensed
ellis: 0 fumbles forced
dorsey: 1 fumbled forced
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Dorsey had more tackles
1. tackles are largely irrelevant for DTs. tackles for loss, sacks, and passes defensed are more indicative of effectiveness
2. tackles are team-reported stats and unreliable as a stat generally
Posted on 8/13/09 at 8:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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tackles are largely irrelevant for DTs
First of all this is a ridiculous statement. Tackles for a DT when the RB is running right past you on virtually every running play is pretty damned important. If the DT made the tackle then the RB was generally stopped at the line of scrimmage.
Ellis was no more of a factor than Dorsey last year. It seems you can't admit that and love banging on Dorsey. Good for you. But the honest opinion is Dorsey was just as effective as Ellis but Dorsey played on the last ranked D in the league.
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