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re: Does these two injuries change your projection of how this team does?
Posted on 8/9/16 at 11:26 am to therick711
Posted on 8/9/16 at 11:26 am to therick711
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LSU hasn't had a 18 year old true freshman defensive lineman register over 20 tackles in 15 years.
D lines job in a 3-4 is to eat up space and blockers not make tackles. Their job is to keep the MLB's clean to make tackles.
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 11:27 am to The Pirate King
people are being really dramatic...shocker
while this sucks for CL and our overall depth, it doesn't alter much in the grand scheme of things. I'm not sure CL was a great fit for the direction we're headed in. Now, you take Key away and I'm losing my shite then.
while this sucks for CL and our overall depth, it doesn't alter much in the grand scheme of things. I'm not sure CL was a great fit for the direction we're headed in. Now, you take Key away and I'm losing my shite then.
Posted on 8/9/16 at 11:27 am to Lester Earl
CL is a big loss because he is proven to be a solid contributor. The guys behind him arguably have more potential, but that doesn't always translate. The big name to watch is Herron. He is an upper classman, has great size, and all the talent in the world. If he can finally show that on the field this year, we should still be pretty nasty on the Line. NT will be a rotation of Herron/Gilmore/Valentine/Lawrence on running downs and DG/Herron on passing downs.
Anyone saying it doesn't change anything is ignoring that it's not this injury that is so crucial, it's the next.
Anyone saying it doesn't change anything is ignoring that it's not this injury that is so crucial, it's the next.
Posted on 8/9/16 at 11:27 am to Lester Earl
quote:This is accurate, hopefully we get some consistency out of Herron to stabilize the position.
The other guys aren't bringing that or they would have been playing ahead of him not only this year, but the last 2 years.
Posted on 8/9/16 at 11:29 am to BilJ
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it doesn't alter much in the grand scheme of thing
Who replaces him that you have confidence in?
Do you move Godchaux to DE?
It shakes up the whole line.
Posted on 8/9/16 at 11:31 am to TrumpTiger
An improved D-line was a big key to this being a great season. Losing your most experienced DL for the year obviously doesn't help. Neither does losing another guy who could add depth. That said, while Lacoture has been solid and consistent in his time at LSU, he hasn't been a game-changing player like Brockers, Logan, Williams, Lavalais, or even Nevis. LSU could potentially replace his production with one guy or a combination of players (particularly the incoming freshman). It's not like losing someone like Beckwith and/or Fournette who nobody on the roster can replace.
You hate it for a senior player who has been nothing but consistent for you. However, in the grand scheme of things, there are other players who their loss would be far more devastating. This just means that Herron will have to finally live up to some of his recruiting hype and the 3 true freshman will have to play bigger roles than initially thought. The good news is that all three seem to have the potential to not just be good players, but great players.
You hate it for a senior player who has been nothing but consistent for you. However, in the grand scheme of things, there are other players who their loss would be far more devastating. This just means that Herron will have to finally live up to some of his recruiting hype and the 3 true freshman will have to play bigger roles than initially thought. The good news is that all three seem to have the potential to not just be good players, but great players.
Posted on 8/9/16 at 11:32 am to TrumpTiger
If Valentine is as good as expected then no. It's a depth issue early on but it'll give some young guys the experience they need. If we lose someone else up front then yes it takes a toll. But I don't see us losing a game now because of this. Better to happen now than a month from now.
Posted on 8/9/16 at 11:32 am to Lester Earl
I look at CL as just a guy, an experienced one, but certainly not irreplaceable. Maybe you don't replace him with just one guy but several.
Unproven and young but I think Rashard is good enough to make a big early impact
Unproven and young but I think Rashard is good enough to make a big early impact
Posted on 8/9/16 at 11:33 am to TrumpTiger
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Does these two injuries change your projection of how this team does?
The loss is more devastating from a leadership/veteran presence type perspective.
The guys behind LAC and others (Herron/Gilmore) are just as talented but were not getting his type of playing time simply because he was a veteran. Valentine and Ed Alexander are absolutely needed now to take that nose tackle spot. Allowing Godchaux to slide back to DT.
I certainly would prefer Lac, but it's not devastating to our aspirations.
Lawrence, Herron, Gilmore, Godchaux rotating at the DT spot is something that any team not named bama would die for.
We're still tied for the most returning starters in the SEC (with Tenn.)
Posted on 8/9/16 at 11:33 am to Lester Earl
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Based on what? I guarantee he hasn't been working as hard as Lacature has. And he certainly hasn't had anywhere near the amount of reps Lacouture has had. This isn't a video game. You don't just plug people in and they all of a sudden play to their ability
Maybe you're not familiar with a NT and a 3-4 system, but they literally are in there to eat the center and as many blocks as possible to free up the linebackers to roam and make plays. He's a strong, 330 pound NT that will be asked to do just that.
Also hard work doesn't equal talent. LaCouture is underwhelming as a playmaker. He was basically in there to eat space, even in a 4-3. Sorry that's hard for you to accept.
Posted on 8/9/16 at 11:35 am to Lester Earl
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Do you move Godchaux to DE?
That's already what's been done.
DE: Neal, Clark, Logan
NT: Valentine, Gilmore, Alexander
DE: Godchaux, Herron, Lawrence
Lawrence can also play NT, as will Godchaux I imagine. Valentine may not start off at starting NT but should take over soon enough into the season. Just a matter of getting him up to speed. That's a really good looking front, with some ultra talented freshmen who could make some moves
Posted on 8/9/16 at 11:35 am to BilJ
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I look at CL as just a guy, an experienced one, but certainly not irreplaceable. Maybe you don't replace him with just one guy but several.
No one could unseat Lacouture, yet we're all pumping these guys up as easily absorbing his production. Franklin Delano Herron and Greg Gilmore were supposed to unseat him for years. They still haven't. Glossing over losing your top starter on the defensive line is foolish. Who was LSU's last impact every down defensive lineman as a true freshman? Booger?
This post was edited on 8/9/16 at 11:37 am
Posted on 8/9/16 at 11:36 am to The Pirate King
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Also hard work doesn't equal talent. LaCouture is underwhelming as a playmaker. He was basically in there to eat space, even in a 4-3. Sorry that's hard for you to accept.
You just said that's all he would have to do in this system. Sounds like we just lost the perfect fit by your own descriptions.
Posted on 8/9/16 at 11:36 am to TrumpTiger
I think it's a really big blow. Having quality depth on the D line is essential. Ed O's job just got a lot harder.
Posted on 8/9/16 at 11:37 am to lsuhunt555
Realistically, I like the added pressure it has put on the 5 stars.....
Posted on 8/9/16 at 11:40 am to therick711
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You just said that's all he would have to do in this system. Sounds like we just lost the perfect fit by your own descriptions.
Are you trying to get me to argue that LaCouture wouldn't fit in this system? I never said that. He's a good rotational DT in this system, but not some catch all, end all player.
He eats up blocks, but is an underwhelming playmaker. Valentine has the ability to eat blocks AND make plays from the NT spot.
AT WORST, we can put Valentine in there to eat space, which is what LaCouture would have done anyway.
This post was edited on 8/9/16 at 11:42 am
Posted on 8/9/16 at 11:40 am to bbap
I love how people think that a player with one more year under his belt, one more off season in the books and a new defense to fit his skill set automatically will be the same player as the previous year. What if and I mean what if, he is actually stronger and faster and is a better fit in the new defense. Maybe he might improve? Just a thought.
Posted on 8/9/16 at 11:40 am to therick711
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No one could unseat Lacouture
Mostly due to poor recruiting, but the 2016 class is pretty monster by comparison to what we've brought in (Valentine, Lawrence, Logan, Alexander, Roddy). Gilmore has been the biggest disappointment, seems like he cant stay on the field for more than a couple snaps at a time. Herron has steadily improved over the years flashing a few things here and there. I certainly think he has more pure talent than LaCouture, but again it's been a slow development for him. The ebst thing you can say about LaCouture is he has been a rock provided us a LOT of reps over the last few years, but he certainly isn't labeled a playmaker. Very steady player, but not one that's going to make a big difference if a couple younger guys step up and be solid.
Posted on 8/9/16 at 11:42 am to The Pirate King
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Valentine has the ability to eat blocks AND make plays from the NT spot.
Valentine may be a perfectly good player. His best advantage is no one has seen him play. Just like everyone thought Gilmore (or Al Woods for that matter) was going to be amazing because he looks great getting off the bus. Potential is wonderful. Valentine had the same potential without losing Lacouture to a season ending injury. Also, Lac was going to play end according to his quotes on the radio yesterday. That's not Valentine's position at all.
Posted on 8/9/16 at 11:42 am to texastigerr
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I love how people think that a player with one more year under his belt, one more off season in the books and a new defense to fit his skill set automatically will be the same player as the previous year. What if and I mean what if, he is actually stronger and faster and is a better fit in the new defense. Maybe he might improve? Just a thought.
It's not too often you watch a player take as many snaps as LaCouture the last few years and they suddenly become dominant their senior season.
Again, very steady player who has given us a lot of solid reps, but not a guy who seems to be a playmaker which we may have behind him now which we simply didn't the previous few years.
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