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re: Does an 8-4 season make Miles seat warm?
Posted on 7/15/09 at 10:50 am to purple and gold 3
Posted on 7/15/09 at 10:50 am to purple and gold 3
quote:Actually, I just did it myself and got the same figure.
Either you just made that up, or your calculator is broken.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 10:50 am to purple and gold 3
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UF
we stayed with them until lafell dropped that 1st down conversion
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UGA
we stayed with them until the final quarter
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Bama
the 1 game against a real team that our D showed up
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Ole Miss
we had quit + spread option = death
Posted on 7/15/09 at 10:54 am to Ray Ray Rodman
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Thats because of Crowton instead of Jimbo.
Not Miles.
I was under the impression that Miles hired Crowton
Posted on 7/15/09 at 10:54 am to JustSmokin
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One great decade of football and it is now our right to win championships forever.
Show me one post where someone said that we HAVE to win some kind of championship next year?
Don't bother looking because it never happened.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 10:55 am to SlowFlowPro
I'm not getting into a posting battle with you. I've giving you my opinions about last years and this years defense. That is it.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 10:56 am to purple and gold 3
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Last year was a fluke due to a shitty QB situation. If we had Perrilloux last year we wouldn't have had a season that would warrant these types of posts.
What does a shitty QB situation and Ryan Perriloux have to do with the Mallveto created "rice paper/chinese fire drill/chicken with head cut off" defense? Even with the QB problems last years, we scored enough points to win. It was solely the defensive mass confusion on the sideline and on the field that caused the loses. Nobody can deny that.......
Posted on 7/15/09 at 10:57 am to purple and gold 3
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Either you just made that up, or your calculator is broken.
Jesus Christ I can't believe I'm taking the time to do this.
Auburn- 14
MSU- 24
Florida- 44
SC- 17
UGA- 38
Bama- 20
OM- 31
Arky- 31
That's 27.3 points per game. Now STFU.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 11:03 am to Tiger Voodoo
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That's 27.3 points per game. Now STFU.
I'm sorry, I stand corrected. That is accurate for pic sixes. I also factored in the pics and fumbles by QBs in our territory that led to pts. My apologies.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 11:11 am to Draconian Sanctions
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One great decade of football and it is now our right to win championships forever
This is not what this post is about. The majority of fans most likely expect us to lose 1-3 games this year. The whole point of this thread is to gauge how people would react to another 4-5 loss season. No one expects us to win a championship every year. Dropping out of the rankings, however, is something that a lot of people find unacceptable for multiple seasons in a row.
I think any talk about a coaching change next year is ridiculous, but from a hypothetical standpoint I like this thread because I know that this board is going to be fuming if we have a repeat of last season.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 11:16 am to purple and gold 3
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I'm sorry, I stand corrected. That is accurate for pic sixes. I also factored in the pics and fumbles by QBs in our territory that led to pts. My apologies.
what about our yards per game, which sucked?
if we had all of these short fields, then we wouldn't have given up that many yards
Posted on 7/15/09 at 11:40 am to novowels
quote:Totally agree. Also, ESPN and all the other sports goobs would be putting Miles on the hot seat going into 2010.
I know that this board is going to be fuming if we have a repeat of last season.
I hate to be negative, but I think we could easily lose 4 games next year. Our QB and our defense are just not giving me a warm fuzzy.
This post was edited on 7/15/09 at 11:41 am
Posted on 7/15/09 at 12:24 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I think recent history has shown that pretty much every coach in America is two disappointing years away from being fired. 99.9% of LSU fans would say that last year was a disappointment, so I was just trying to gauge what other LSU fans think that level is for this year.
LSU under Les Miles has gone 11-2, 11-2, 12-2 and 8-5 with final rankings of 5, 3, 1 and 28. In addition he is 4-0 in bowl games and 2-0 in BCS games. LSU is recruiting at a national level like we have never seen. While last year was dissapointing for fans that have grown accustom to top 5 finishes, it was not without a measure of expectance for the powers that be inside the atheletic department. When the decisison was made to dismiss RP from the team, none in the LSU AD's office were expecting to compete for a championship with freshman QB's. As bad as last season was for LSU fans that had unrealistic expectations, it was still an 8 win season that was capped off with a bowl victory over a ranked team.
My biggest problem with last season was the play on the defensive side of the ball. That was unexpected and as bad as it was(and it was horrible) it really only cost us 1 game (arkansas). Les saw that the coaches he promoted were not ready to handle the job and hired a consultant to craft the bowl-game gameplan and then replaced the coaches on the defensive side of the ball with a staff that has a proven record of success in the SEC.
Les has made all the right moves since he has been at LSU...from the way he handled the team during the hurricane season to the press conference to get the players mind right before the SECCG to making good coaching hires in Fisher, Pelini, Crowton and Chavis while at LSU. People make mistakes. The question is how do you overcome and correct the mistakes you make and move forward. Coach Miles recongnized promoting coaches on his staff to co-coordinator was a mistake and he fix it after one season. He showed loyalty to his staff by promoting them and giving them a chance and then he showed loyalty to the program and fans by releasing those guys when they couldn't get the job done.
Right now Les has as much "coaching credit" as any coach in the country with his AD. Anyone that thinks that an 8-4 season will make his seat warm is crazy. LSU is young in the one position that matters most...QB. It may take our young QB's another building year before thay can lead the team to road victories over bigtime SEC foes. After this year, we should be back on track of having mature QB's ready to take over every year. Les continues to bring in top 10 recruiting classes every year and seems to be getting better at landing national recruits the last couple years. It really shows how clueless some LSU fans are with no sense of history to think a couple of 8 win "building" seasons will get a coach on the hotseat after back to back to back top 5 finishes on the field and in recruiting.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 12:37 pm to XbengalTiger
I agree with most of what you are saying. I saw Miles at the fish fry up here in Shreveport last summer and he seemed to be preparing us for a less than outstanding year. I tried to tell people this and to show a little realism on this board before last year but I was called a nega tiger and told to turn in my season tickets by the exact fans you are talking about who had unrealistic expectations.
Even I was disappointed with the way we lost and how many games we lost even with my lower than normal expectations. While I don't agree that our defense only cost us the Arkansas game, I do agree that it was a much bigger problem than the QB situation.
You have to realize that in today's college football world popular opinion as well as sports goobs on ESPN can have a lot of influence on atheletic programs. While Miles may have Alleva's blessing today, he could just as easily be on his shite list after another less than stellar year.
While I don't think that Miles will be fired if we go 8-4 this season considering we have no experience at QB and a defense that is trying to find itself again, he would absolutely be expected to have a serious improvement in 2010.
A 7 win season or less (not gonna happen) will be a flamethrower on his backside.
Even I was disappointed with the way we lost and how many games we lost even with my lower than normal expectations. While I don't agree that our defense only cost us the Arkansas game, I do agree that it was a much bigger problem than the QB situation.
You have to realize that in today's college football world popular opinion as well as sports goobs on ESPN can have a lot of influence on atheletic programs. While Miles may have Alleva's blessing today, he could just as easily be on his shite list after another less than stellar year.
While I don't think that Miles will be fired if we go 8-4 this season considering we have no experience at QB and a defense that is trying to find itself again, he would absolutely be expected to have a serious improvement in 2010.
A 7 win season or less (not gonna happen) will be a flamethrower on his backside.
This post was edited on 7/15/09 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 7/15/09 at 12:39 pm to alajones
i think people right now don't realize that a 7-win season means that we go 6-6 and win against a really shitty bowl opponent
Posted on 7/15/09 at 12:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
I wasn't including bowl games. Even though GT was a nice win, we still were all feeling the sting of going 7-5.
In other words, IMHO FWIW, I thnk that going 7-5 and winning a second tier bowl game will be a worse season than going 8-4 and losing a higher level bowl game.
In other words, IMHO FWIW, I thnk that going 7-5 and winning a second tier bowl game will be a worse season than going 8-4 and losing a higher level bowl game.
This post was edited on 7/15/09 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 7/15/09 at 12:46 pm to XbengalTiger
Great post, although I'm not sure how you come up with our D only costing us 1 game.
I'd actually take that a step further. We aren't only young at 1 position. We are certainly still young at QB, but we're also replacing two 3 year starters on the OL, including one of the most underrated LSU centers of all time. We only have 1 WR with more than 22 career receptions, and lost our beast of a starter at FB with no one with any game PT to replace him.
We are facing a nearly complete rehaul of our DL, and lose a 3 year starter at MLB while trying to install a whole new staff on the defensive side of the ball.
Everyone also seems to forget we lost our punter and all time leading scorer at kicker on special teams.
Anyone who assumes that since we are "loaded with talent" that 4 losses would be a "major disappointment" worthy of "warming Miles' seat" is either drinking the Kool-Aid or just doesn't understand the level of competition in the SEC right now very well.
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Anyone that thinks that an 8-4 season will make his seat warm is crazy. LSU is young in the one position that matters most...QB. It may take our young QB's another building year before thay can lead the team to road victories over bigtime SEC foes.
I'd actually take that a step further. We aren't only young at 1 position. We are certainly still young at QB, but we're also replacing two 3 year starters on the OL, including one of the most underrated LSU centers of all time. We only have 1 WR with more than 22 career receptions, and lost our beast of a starter at FB with no one with any game PT to replace him.
We are facing a nearly complete rehaul of our DL, and lose a 3 year starter at MLB while trying to install a whole new staff on the defensive side of the ball.
Everyone also seems to forget we lost our punter and all time leading scorer at kicker on special teams.
Anyone who assumes that since we are "loaded with talent" that 4 losses would be a "major disappointment" worthy of "warming Miles' seat" is either drinking the Kool-Aid or just doesn't understand the level of competition in the SEC right now very well.
This post was edited on 7/15/09 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 7/15/09 at 1:04 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Great post, although I'm not sure how you come up with our D only costing us 1 game.
So many things affect the flow and outcome of a game. It's hard to play the "what if" game and change one thing and think everythig else would turn out the same. It wouldn't. Changing one thing here or there would change strategy and playcalling from that point on and the outcome is impossible to predict. The arkansas game, however, was lost on a last second hail-mary. That can be palced at the feet of the defense without having to predict how that would effect the rest of the game. Don't let the WR get behind you and it's game over. We win.
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Everyone also seems to forget we lost our punter and all time leading scorer at kicker on special teams.
I totally agree with this. If we don't have a good FG kicker that will cost us some games. Colt Davis has been about as automatic as we have ever had at LSU and will be tough to replace.
This post was edited on 7/15/09 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 7/15/09 at 9:56 pm to Geauxtiga
[quote]This board is full of college students and working adults that I guarantee will go crazy if we have a season like last year again.
It shows that complete stupidity and assininity comes in all ages.
When winning becomes the normal like it is right now at LSU, the leash on a coach gets shorter with a good percentage of the fan base. Personally I don't agree with this but there's a lot of people out there who think 2 underperforming seasons merits a coaching discussion.
Very observant point Geaux. You point out what I call the video game mentality among many people today. They think you should win every game all the time. They have no idea what it's like to play because they have never played and know next to nothing about the game and what goes into having a great season.
It shows that complete stupidity and assininity comes in all ages.
When winning becomes the normal like it is right now at LSU, the leash on a coach gets shorter with a good percentage of the fan base. Personally I don't agree with this but there's a lot of people out there who think 2 underperforming seasons merits a coaching discussion.
Very observant point Geaux. You point out what I call the video game mentality among many people today. They think you should win every game all the time. They have no idea what it's like to play because they have never played and know next to nothing about the game and what goes into having a great season.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 10:06 pm to Barry Badrinath
warm, but not hot. This is a pretty tough schedule this year, with increasing parity within the SEC. I'm thinking 10-2 tops, 9-3 quite possible, 8-4 likely to be the worst. Anything worse than that after last year, he should be working on his resume - I don't believe it will cut the mustard. KC.
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