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re: Do you know people that still think Les Miles "sucks"?

Posted on 9/13/12 at 1:19 pm to
Posted by lsuexpert57
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Member since Oct 2008
1637 posts
Posted on 9/13/12 at 1:19 pm to
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He has shown only flashes of being unknowing in the past, but exhibited it for the duration of the last half of last season. I'll never forget that.


This is YOUR subjective opinion. You have no idea of all the factors that went into the coaching staffs decision to play JJ over JL because you aren't privy to that info. Besides that...he won all the games but the last one so the choice is hard to argue with. He went with the only guy who could beat bama at BDS and hoped he could do it again. He couldn't, but I know for a FACT that JL couldn't do it cuz I watched him try 3 times!
Posted by score2fodabigdog
Thibodaux LA
Member since Jun 2012
62 posts
Posted on 9/13/12 at 1:29 pm to
sucks as a coach but a top tier recruiter
Posted by lsuexpert57
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Posted on 9/13/12 at 1:36 pm to
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Im not arguing Lee was an All American, but... below average QB's dont make NFL teams. Just sayin.. Nor do they "manage" thier team to a 9-0 record, especially playing the tough schedule LSU had last season. Just sayin...


Really? Is this your first year watching CFB? below average QB's don't lead their team to undeafeated seasons? Last chance to take that stupid statement back...before I start asking you to remember... Tee Martin, Oklahoma's qb from 2003, White, Crouch from Nebraska, Ohio State's qb from 2002, his name escapes me, Leake from 2006 fla. The list goes on and on. Not only have below average qb's been on teams that had great years...some of those qb's have won Heisman fricken TROPHIES!

It's just like here on the rant, you have some great posters like myself, and then you have the below average posters like you who only post dumb stuff.... the dumb ones like yours show up on the rant just as consistenly as my uniformly wonderful posts do...go figure.
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
Champs 03 07 09 11(fack) 19!!!
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 9/13/12 at 1:41 pm to
Craig Krenzel - undefeated and NC winning QB from OSU 2002 and complete shite stain
Posted by yallallcrazy
Member since Oct 2007
826 posts
Posted on 9/13/12 at 3:42 pm to
To those who say Miles is a bad coach (and I know many):

How are we winning games at an unprecedented rate, for LSU and for SEC football? Do you really think we have talent so superior as to win in spite of coaching? Even over teams that rank higher in recruiting?

If Miles is only maintaining Saban's program, and if that means he can be an average coach, then (1)please list the other average coaches that have done so. The coaches that followed legends at Miami, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Alabama-- all failed to do so. And (2), please demonstrate where we are still running Saban's schemes, using Saban's players, etc. We are not. We are using LSU's facilities, and Saban no doubt was the major force behind obtaining those, but he has NO influence on day-to-day issues at all 7 years later.


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But if Miles had to pick teams in the schoolyard against 10 other SEC coaches and just coach a football game when everybody else's players are as good as his....I'd be lying if I said I thought he'd win


I hear this stuff all the time, too. Except, that is not what college football coaches do.If you want to say that there are better gameday coaches, then that is valid. But that does not mean he is a bad coach. The mistakes made on a game day may one day cause a game to be lost, but mistakes in recruiting, program management, hiring and firing coordinators, and maintaining a mindset within a program can cause loss of a program requiring years to undo. People act like being a good "manager and recruiter" is a bad thing. Hell, it is the MOST important thing.
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
21538 posts
Posted on 9/13/12 at 3:58 pm to
so expert, explain Lees success w/ the Chargers..
My point is, he didnt suck.. Just like CLM doesnt suck as a coach. You may rant & rave, blow your own horn, but at the end of the day...CLM is making $4M a year for his abilities, and your on here, with me, sharing your sports knowledge and not on ESPN. So.. LOL
Posted by Guava Jelly
Bawston
Member since Jul 2009
11949 posts
Posted on 9/13/12 at 4:07 pm to
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who only post dumb stuff

Your eloquence highlights your intelligence and superior posting skills.
Posted by thekid
Anna, Tx
Member since May 2006
4045 posts
Posted on 9/13/12 at 4:31 pm to
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quote: But if Miles had to pick teams in the schoolyard against 10 other SEC coaches and just coach a football game when everybody else's players are as good as his....I'd be lying if I said I thought he'd win I hear this stuff all the time, too. Except, that is not what college football coaches do.If you want to say that there are better gameday coaches, then that is valid. But that does not mean he is a bad coach. The mistakes made on a game day may one day cause a game to be lost, but mistakes in recruiting, program management, hiring and firing coordinators, and maintaining a mindset within a program can cause loss of a program requiring years to undo. People act like being a good "manager and recruiter" is a bad thing. Hell, it is the MOST important thing.


I agree..
But have any of these idiots who denigrate Miles ever heard him fire up a team...how often do we come out flat? Very seldom...he is awesome at that...and that is game day coaching.
I remember Erin Andrews saying Les called her after the whole camera in the hotel room thing, she said she understood why he was such a good coach because he got her so fired up she was ready to run through a wall after speaking with him.
Posted by heatom2
At the plant, baw.
Member since Nov 2010
13062 posts
Posted on 9/13/12 at 4:42 pm to
I work with a guy who claims Les will never throw the ball downfield because of his "big ten philosophy"

I guess 2005-2007 doesn't count.
Posted by tigerinridgeland
Mississippi
Member since Aug 2006
7701 posts
Posted on 9/13/12 at 4:44 pm to
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sucks as a coach but a top tier recruiter


His record says otherwise. I hope you don't subscribe to the theory that says good recruits can be very successful without good coaching. It just doesn't happen that way. Example: How do you explain Texas' recent struggles, despite having highly ranked classes, supposedly very talented players? A team with lots of raw talent, but poor to mediocre coaching will lose to a team with good talent (even if not as good as the other team's) and good coaching most of the time. Miles' record against teams with good/competitive talent shows there is a lot of good (and often underappreciated) coaching going on also.

Miles isn't perfect, but neither is any other coach out there. But to say he "sucks" as a coach is to ignore reason.
This post was edited on 9/13/12 at 4:46 pm
Posted by Bayou
Boudin, LA
Member since Feb 2005
41663 posts
Posted on 9/13/12 at 8:28 pm to
He sucks at QB evaluation. You can not change history. He blew it with Lee and JJ.
Posted by mikeytig
NE of Tiger Stadium
Member since Nov 2007
7739 posts
Posted on 9/13/12 at 9:04 pm to
I dont think anyone really thinks Les Miles sucks as a football coach. Some people may not like him personally however I think very few people would say he is a bad football coach. That said, Les did perform miserably in the BCS game against Alabama and allowed Nick Saban to humiliate LSU. Les is going to have to make up for that disaster of a game to his players and the fans. He will get another chance to do that this year. What does it mean if you have a great year and your head coach does not give his own team a chance to win the biggest and most important game of the year?
This post was edited on 9/13/12 at 9:26 pm
Posted by GABlueDog
Marietta, GA
Member since Dec 2008
8045 posts
Posted on 9/13/12 at 9:07 pm to
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Not only have below average qb's been on teams that had great years...some of those qb's have won Heisman fricken TROPHIES!

Just throwing this out there...maybe those Heisman Trophy winners were not below average qbs?
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you have some great posters like myself, and then you have the below average posters like you who only post dumb stuff



There is nothing like a confident dumb guy.
Posted by yallallcrazy
Member since Oct 2007
826 posts
Posted on 9/13/12 at 9:11 pm to
I'm sorry, but I saw a hell of a lot of players get their butts whooped in that game.
Coaching might well have been bad. Play calling looked unimaginative, but then again a whole bunch of plays lasted about 1 second before the Bama DLine was all over our backfield. Not sure what plays we'e called those times.

Bottom line is it was a team loss. And we weren't beating Bama that day regardless of who played QB. That game was lost the day Bama was picked to rematch us. Too much emotional letdown for our players-- we beat them in a real, real tough game and we were supposed to be done with them.-- and too much emotional high for Bama.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48048 posts
Posted on 9/13/12 at 9:13 pm to
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He sucks at QB evaluation. You can not change history. He blew it with Lee and JJ.



You're dumb.
Posted by GABlueDog
Marietta, GA
Member since Dec 2008
8045 posts
Posted on 9/13/12 at 9:17 pm to
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Coaching might well have been bad.

Worst coaching I've ever witnessed. I don't know anyone that thinks otherwise save a few of the most diehard purple and gold kool-aid drinkers.

Still, its not fair to judge a guy based on one game...even if it was the most important one.
Posted by bastropbham
Birmingham, Al
Member since Nov 2008
604 posts
Posted on 9/13/12 at 9:19 pm to
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