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re: Do you know people that still think Les Miles "sucks"?
Posted on 9/12/12 at 7:41 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 9/12/12 at 7:41 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Whether you want to acknowledge it r not Les Miles has done things at LSU that no other coach ever has
I give him a TON of credit for that. BUT........ I will NOT go over this again with you.
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but he is THE MOST SUCCESSFUL HEAD COACH IN LSU HISTORY. again that last statement is a fact.
sure.BUT IF I was going to START OR maintain a program , I would take Saban, No matter how much of a DICK he is. FACT.
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Posted on 9/12/12 at 7:48 pm to dukke v
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sure.BUT IF I was going to START OR maintain a program , I would take Saban, No matter how much of a DICK he is. FACT.
Oh I would too. Saban is one of the greatest program builders of all time. He is better at it than Miles, but that's not what I'm arguing. I'm saying it's harder to maintain a winning program than to build one.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 8:24 pm to biglego
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My dad doesn't like Miles solely for how he handled the QBs last year and on 1/9/12.
I concurr, I dont think JJ should have ever stepped on the field last year....Just my two cents, I believe he cost us a NT...or Miles did because of the decision to put him there when every single person on the planet saw that he shouldnt have....
I just hope and pray that he has learned from his mistakes and have a Throwing QB for the rest of his days here...I could care less about a "dual threat guy"...just takes away carries from our four studs and cant throw to our best athletes outside...
Posted on 9/12/12 at 8:32 pm to TigerFan55555
Except you've always hated JJ so your opinion is jaded. I guess you believe Lee would've improved on his 1td- 8 int career stats against Bama? Also you realize the greatest qbs of the last decade har been dual threat. Cam, Tebow, young.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 9:19 pm to TigerFan55555
With the shitty OL play in the NCG Lee probably gets knocked out of the game. The whole offensive unit and staff didnt show up and gave a horrible performance. I think they got screwed with Bama being invited since I don't think LSU gets the same opportunity if roles were reversed; however, it was very uncharacteristic preparation for the program and embarrassing. Bama played a great game and definitely no guarantee LSU could have won had they shown up and played their game. LSU still split the head to head matchup an had plenty of accomplishments to be proud of last season.
Finally let's be honest here everyone wanted to turn Lee into this mythical All American because of his efficiency stats in the first few games. The shite was misleading. We won games last year because of our dominating run game and defense.
Even though JJ sucked it looked like the idea was that if something did break down JJ had a better chance of turning nothing into something positive. Lee gets hit one big time in Bama and crumbled throwing two absolutely horrible interceptions on back to back passes.
I don't know if the idea of Mythical All-American Lee was because of the desire an ignorant segment of our fanbase has for the "Cerebral White QB" or just a delusional fantasy that QB was not a weakness of the team last season. The truth is they were both below average college QBs and were a huge weakness and liability for the 2011 team and the previous 3 seasons.
Thankfully the QB spot finally looks like a strength going forward.
Mett and Rivers
Finally let's be honest here everyone wanted to turn Lee into this mythical All American because of his efficiency stats in the first few games. The shite was misleading. We won games last year because of our dominating run game and defense.
Even though JJ sucked it looked like the idea was that if something did break down JJ had a better chance of turning nothing into something positive. Lee gets hit one big time in Bama and crumbled throwing two absolutely horrible interceptions on back to back passes.
I don't know if the idea of Mythical All-American Lee was because of the desire an ignorant segment of our fanbase has for the "Cerebral White QB" or just a delusional fantasy that QB was not a weakness of the team last season. The truth is they were both below average college QBs and were a huge weakness and liability for the 2011 team and the previous 3 seasons.
Thankfully the QB spot finally looks like a strength going forward.
Mett and RiversPosted on 9/12/12 at 9:23 pm to dukke v
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WOW. TEXAS has been a powerhouse since the 60's. What a
Texas was mediocre to bad in the 80's and 90's, so I wouldn't call them a "powerhouse since the 60's."
Posted on 9/12/12 at 10:03 pm to JonTheTigerFan
Just think back to the last game out of Tiger Stadium and you have your answer from "some" people. He "sucked" BIG time in that contest. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron. Period! I'm still upset over his pathetic coaching or lack thereof in that one ball game and honestly I changed my opinion/perception of him like others based on that one game simply because it was for the national championship and he should have changed things up. I truly believe any other coach in America would have played Jarrett Lee.
However, based on his body of work as a college football head coach and especially his tenure at LSU he is a very, very, very good football coach. His hard-headedness cost him dearly against Ala. round 2. I know he will learn from this debacle and improve. But to answer your question yes people still think Les Miles "sucks" and it's based more on that one game than anything else. IMHO. Let's move on.... Geaux Tigers!
However, based on his body of work as a college football head coach and especially his tenure at LSU he is a very, very, very good football coach. His hard-headedness cost him dearly against Ala. round 2. I know he will learn from this debacle and improve. But to answer your question yes people still think Les Miles "sucks" and it's based more on that one game than anything else. IMHO. Let's move on.... Geaux Tigers!
Posted on 9/12/12 at 10:23 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Oh I would too. Saban is one of the greatest program builders of all time. He is better at it than Miles, but that's not what I'm arguing. I'm saying it's harder to maintain a winning program than to build one.
I just love how this stuff is tossed out and swallowed whole with no questions asked. So lets do Miles first...ya'll claim"he's not the "winning program builder that Saban is"...and you know this how? By my count he's tried to build a program from scratch exactly ONCE and by most accounts did a pretty fair job of it at what was a pretty crappy football school at the time.
Saban? Well he left the Spartans better off than he found them...but sustainable national powerhouse? Not so much. LSU and Bama? It's not like he went to Tulane and SMU and turned them into national champs. He came into two schools that were underachieving given their resources, histories and natural advantages and in Bama's case simply returned them to what they've been before and in LSU's case tweaked the right things to allow us to optimize the program. So, great coach? Absolutely. Head and shoulders a better "program builder" than CLM? Total conjecture.
Posted on 9/12/12 at 10:52 pm to JonTheTigerFan
Spit in their face
Posted on 9/12/12 at 11:06 pm to JonTheTigerFan
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I know people who still try to argue that Coach Miles "sucks" as a coach
I know of no one who thinks Les "sucks" as a HC.
You need to avoid those people. It's clear they have lost touch with reality.
Posted on 9/13/12 at 12:07 am to lsuexpert57
I was arguing for Les and was stating its harder to maintain a program than build one.
You can't deny Saban's ability to resurrect a program.
You can't deny Saban's ability to resurrect a program.
Posted on 9/13/12 at 12:30 am to DrD
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Just think back to the last game out of Tiger Stadium and you have your answer from "some" people. He "sucked" BIG time in that contest. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron. Period! I'm still upset over his pathetic coaching or lack thereof in that one ball game and honestly I changed my opinion/perception of him like others based on that one game simply because it was for the national championship and he should have changed things up. I truly believe any other coach in America would have played Jarrett Lee.
Posted on 9/13/12 at 7:33 am to JonTheTigerFan
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How do you deal with them
I just tell them the facts and I always get the same reaction. A dumb look.
Posted on 9/13/12 at 7:41 am to Colonel Flagg
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With the shitty OL play in the NCG Lee probably gets knocked out of the game. The whole offensive unit and staff didnt show up and gave a horrible performance. I think they got screwed with Bama being invited since I don't think LSU gets the same opportunity if roles were reversed; however, it was very uncharacteristic preparation for the program and embarrassing. Bama played a great game and definitely no guarantee LSU could have won had they shown up and played their game. LSU still split the head to head matchup an had plenty of accomplishments to be proud of last season. Finally let's be honest here everyone wanted to turn Lee into this mythical All American because of his efficiency stats in the first few games. The shite was misleading. We won games last year because of our dominating run game and defense. Even though JJ sucked it looked like the idea was that if something did break down JJ had a better chance of turning nothing into something positive. Lee gets hit one big time in Bama and crumbled throwing two absolutely horrible interceptions on back to back passes. I don't know if the idea of Mythical All-American Lee was because of the desire an ignorant segment of our fanbase has for the "Cerebral White QB" or just a delusional fantasy that QB was not a weakness of the team last season. The truth is they were both below average college QBs and were a huge weakness and liability for the 2011 team and the previous 3 seasons. Thankfully the QB spot finally looks like a strength going forward.
Very well said
Posted on 9/13/12 at 7:43 am to lsuexpert57
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Saban? Well he left the Spartans better off than he found them...but sustainable national powerhouse? Not so much.
Actually Michigan State has been pretty damn good lately, I heard they recently found Saban's masterful blueprint locked in a desk. Which explains why they weren't good after Saban left.
Seriously, who really cares if Les Miles can build a program? He's not building LSU. He's maintaining it. I could give a flying frick if Saban is a better program builder. Miles has his frick ups, sure. But as long as he keeps recruiting well, and keeps LSU one of the top 2 teams in the country....he's ok with me.
Posted on 9/13/12 at 7:47 am to JonTheTigerFan
I say, "Remember Curley Hallman."
Posted on 9/13/12 at 7:58 am to JonTheTigerFan
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Doesn't explain why Saban lost 3 games (including shitting the bed in the Capital One Bowl) the year after he won the '03 NC and the year before Miles won 11 games in '05.
with basically the exact same team and dealing with Katrina
Posted on 9/13/12 at 8:15 am to JonTheTigerFan
Just look around on this board, a couple times a week I stumble across this discussion.
How to deal w/them?? You cant fix stupid, so I dont spend too much energy on them.
How to deal w/them?? You cant fix stupid, so I dont spend too much energy on them.
Posted on 9/13/12 at 8:18 am to Colonel Flagg
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I don't know if the idea of Mythical All-American Lee was because of the desire an ignorant segment of our fanbase has for the "Cerebral White QB"
What's very sad is that this is very true and a whole lot of the problem
Posted on 9/13/12 at 8:18 am to SuperD AP
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The truth is they were both below average college QBs and were a huge weakness and liability for the 2011 team and the previous 3 seasons.
Im not arguing Lee was an All American, but... below average QB's dont make NFL teams. Just sayin.. Nor do they "manage" thier team to a 9-0 record, especially playing the tough schedule LSU had last season. Just sayin...
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