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re: Dinardo Hiring Process
Posted on 9/13/17 at 12:20 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Posted on 9/13/17 at 12:20 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Keeping him after 98 definitely still qualifies as being "far too loyal
Haha I get it. Look I know Tepper is a favorite whipping boy and trying to use Thomas Dunson like Kevin Hardy was not going to work but there were other problems, which DiNardo admits
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Tim Couch and Quincey fricking Carter
2 NFL QBs including a #1 overall pick
But yes frustrating loses, very disappointing season.
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Posted on 9/13/17 at 12:21 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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Dinardo wasn't on the staff that stole a national championship at Colorado in 1990
He was the OC until he took the Vandy job in December 1990. (ETA: And I think he coached the Orange Bowl for them - not 100% sure.)
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nor was Kordell Stewart the QB.
Yeah, Darian Hagan was the 1990 starter at QB for the Buffs. 1990 was Kordell Stewart's senior year in HS, IIRC.
This post was edited on 9/13/17 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 9/13/17 at 12:25 pm to TexasTiger89
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I thought Mark Emmert hired Saban? Never mind Emmert was chancellor.
He did override Dean during negotiations.
We really lucked into that one. Dean's #1 target in 1999 was Tommy fricking Tubberville - he had just jumped from Ole Miss (they'll have to take me out of here in a pine box) to Auburn (Well, if there's more money involved? That's different), literally ONE year before.
So, Dean calls Sexton and says, "Would Tubberville be interested in the LSU job?" Sexton, in classic pimp mode because he had already talked about it with his clients said, "No, but Nick Saban is."
And that's how history is made through no fault of the leaders of our illustrious institution.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 12:28 pm to Lebowski
LSU originally offered the job to and wanted to hire Pat Dye Jr whom I believe was at TCU at the time. Dye had a buyout clause in his contract that he did not want to pay it back to the university himself. LSU refuse to pay his buy out so he pulled himself out of the search and the deal fell through.
Gerry Dinardo let it be kown during his interview that if he was offered the job he would except and he would be responsible for the buy out in his contract with Vanderbilt.
Gerry Dinardo went on to bring the majic back to LSU in his first season ending in an Independence Bowl victory against Nick Saban and Michigan State.
Gerry Dinardo let it be kown during his interview that if he was offered the job he would except and he would be responsible for the buy out in his contract with Vanderbilt.
Gerry Dinardo went on to bring the majic back to LSU in his first season ending in an Independence Bowl victory against Nick Saban and Michigan State.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 12:28 pm to H-Town Tiger
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LSU (OC under Stovall)
Mack Brown was at LSU one year and was the quarterback coach in 1982.
LINK
Posted on 9/13/17 at 12:29 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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keeping Tepper over Watts, who interestingly went to Michigan State with Saban, was the final nail in his coffin.
I don't fully understand your point here - Watts was the OC - Dinardo was involved with the offense. While I agree that changing to whatever we had wasn't an improvement over Watts, Tepper was the DC. Dinardo doesn't know anything about defense - he relied fully on his DC and trusted that Tepper knew what he was doing. And Tepper was a great linebacker coach. He was even a great DC at one time, but the game had obviously already left him behind at that point.
I didn't see any great defenses out of him - not more than a series or two here and there. And we had the players, so it was definitely coaching.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 12:30 pm to lacajun069
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LSU originally offered the job to and wanted to hire Pat Dye Jr
Pat Sullivan but I completely understand your confusion.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 12:32 pm to 610man
Dinardo was a disaster. His last 2 years were as bad as any in LSU history. The program began to turn around from a decade long slump the day he was fired.
No one could have turned LSU around. We were in pathetic condition with 2 bowl appearances in 10 years.
Our cheap AD Joe Dean would not pay for facilities, coaches , staff. A B player himself Dean wanted to higher mediocre coaches like Archer, Hallman and Dinardo.
Then Mark Emmert became chancellor and hired the greatest coach in the history of the game and he and only he turned things around. After he left Miles managed to keep it up for the next 10 years.
Now we have another Joe as our AD. Another B player himself, he keeps hiring mediocre coaches only. We will be back to loosing seasons boys, do not worry.
Maybe our descent begins at Starkville where we will have our arse handed to us by a A coach.
No one could have turned LSU around. We were in pathetic condition with 2 bowl appearances in 10 years.
Our cheap AD Joe Dean would not pay for facilities, coaches , staff. A B player himself Dean wanted to higher mediocre coaches like Archer, Hallman and Dinardo.
Then Mark Emmert became chancellor and hired the greatest coach in the history of the game and he and only he turned things around. After he left Miles managed to keep it up for the next 10 years.
Now we have another Joe as our AD. Another B player himself, he keeps hiring mediocre coaches only. We will be back to loosing seasons boys, do not worry.
Maybe our descent begins at Starkville where we will have our arse handed to us by a A coach.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 12:32 pm to Ponchy Tiger
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Dinardo wasn't on the staff that stole a national championship at Colorado in 1990, nor was Kordell Stewart the QB.
I don't recall if he coached the Orange Bowl, but Dinardo was definitely on staff that season. But yeah, Kordell wasn't on that team.
ETA: Ace beat me to it.
This post was edited on 9/13/17 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 9/13/17 at 12:34 pm to TBoy@LSU
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Mack Brown was at LSU one year and was the quarterback coach in 1982.
My bad QB coach not OC, was still under Stovall, I do also apologize for not mentioning it was only 1 year which I knew, I just don't think that was particularly relevant, he did coach at LSU was the point l.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 12:34 pm to lsufball19
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back when LSU hired Dinardo, and Mike Archer and Curley Hallman for that matter, they were cheap (well Joe Dean was cheap) and didn't understand the necessity of spending money to hire good college football coaches. It was to our own detriment. But Dinardo was an up and coming coach who had moderate success at doormat Vanderbilt, going 19-25 over 4 years as well as being the OC for Colorado's national title team in 1990. And Dinardo did do a lot of great things here. I don't think he was a bad hire, he just ended up being far too loyal to Lou Tepper. But if Dinardo is not hired, or someone like him, to change the recruiting culture in Louisiana, then the past 17 years play out much worse for us IMO.
All of this.
But, still:
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Joe Dean
Posted on 9/13/17 at 12:35 pm to Ace Midnight
Dean's dumbass wanted to give Gerry one more season
Posted on 9/13/17 at 12:35 pm to Lebowski
losing Morris Watts as OC was huge also. 1999 was a horrible offense
Posted on 9/13/17 at 12:38 pm to lsufball19
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Saban benefited greatly from the talent Dinardo left behind.
No he did not. Saban could take this years LSU team and win a Natty. He can with any reasonably good bunch of players.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 12:40 pm to Ponchy Tiger
quote:Ok, I got my Buff QBs mixed up. no biggie, Stewart was the most recognizable from that era, and they were the same program.
. Dinardo wasn't on the staff that stole a national championship at Colorado in 1990, nor was Kordell Stewart the QB.
Dinardo was on staff at Colorado from 82 to 90, and was the OC from 84 to 90. Took the Vandy job in 91.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 12:44 pm to Scoob
Dinardo was offensive coordinator on the Colorado team that had Darien Hagan at QB and Eric Bienemy as the running back. It was essentially an option team, which is what Dinardo ultimately ended up installing to a lesser extent at LSU with Herb Tyler as the QB and Kevin Faulk and Rondell Mealey as the Running backs...it also helped that Larry Foster was there and was a more than competnt WR
Dinardo got hired because Charles Cusimano on the Board did not want Pat Sullivan hired. He thought Sullivanwas not all that good and that LSU's problems stemmed from recruiting coupled with coaching....Sullivan was not the recruiter DiNardo was. Actually if memory serves, Sullivan was offered the job by Dean, but Den did not clear it through the board.... that pissed off Cusimano and Jack Andonie and the offer was withdrawn.
DiNardo knew how to recruit and how to sell the program which was in horrible shape after the Archer/Hallman years. Archer had been in WAAAAY over his head and essentially surrendered Louisiana recruiting opting to focus on Texas recruiting and Florida. Hallman could not coach(his one good hire was Phil Bennett)....his entire resume rested on Brett Favre., but he could recruit. DiNardo could coach, was actually pretty good coach, but he let his ego get in the way.
Dinardo got hired because Charles Cusimano on the Board did not want Pat Sullivan hired. He thought Sullivanwas not all that good and that LSU's problems stemmed from recruiting coupled with coaching....Sullivan was not the recruiter DiNardo was. Actually if memory serves, Sullivan was offered the job by Dean, but Den did not clear it through the board.... that pissed off Cusimano and Jack Andonie and the offer was withdrawn.
DiNardo knew how to recruit and how to sell the program which was in horrible shape after the Archer/Hallman years. Archer had been in WAAAAY over his head and essentially surrendered Louisiana recruiting opting to focus on Texas recruiting and Florida. Hallman could not coach(his one good hire was Phil Bennett)....his entire resume rested on Brett Favre., but he could recruit. DiNardo could coach, was actually pretty good coach, but he let his ego get in the way.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 12:44 pm to mike4lsu
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The program began to turn around from a decade long slump the day he was fired.
No - this happened when he was hired.
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Dinardo was a disaster.
Meh. His last 2 years were not good.
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His last 2 years were as bad as any in LSU history.
I know this is a popular theory. I'd like to believe it, but I can't because I was there.
1998 - we opened with 3 straight wins (more than all of 1992, BTW) - including a nice 12-point win @Auburn to start conference play. We lost by 1 point to UGA (in Tiger Stadium), then to Florida @ the Swamp by 12 points and then the 3-point loss to Kentucky in TS that was the beginning of the end for Dinardo, IMHO.
Then we clobbered MSU by 5 TDs and lost the rest of the games on the schedule. Nothing particularly bad - 3 games by 15 points, until the closer, Arkansas which was a 4 TD loss in Little Rock.
In 1999 - we never got going after the cupcake rent-a-wins at the beginning. Another 1-point loss to UGA, after a particularly bad beating by Auburn in Tiger Stadium, and it was over for Dinardo at that point - all over but the counting. Even then the team scrapped - almost holding off MSU on the road (first loss to them in years and years), staying close with Bama in T-town, but couldn't manufacture a win until Dinardo resigned and the interim superstar finished the season by kicking Arky's arse.
Posted on 9/13/17 at 12:47 pm to mike4lsu
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He can with any reasonably good bunch of players.
Except in the NFL, right?
Posted on 9/13/17 at 12:51 pm to Ace Midnight
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I don't fully understand your point here - Watts was the OC - Dinardo was involved with the offense. While I agree that changing to whatever we had wasn't an improvement over Watts, Tepper was the DC. Dinardo doesn't know anything about defense - he relied fully on his DC and trusted that Tepper knew what he was doing
Nah I get that. And I agree that Dinardo was much more involved on the offense.
Which is why I feel like making change at OC was just kind of spinning wheels at that point. Dinardo could have tinkered with the offense himself without switching OCs, but the only way the defense was getting turned around was someone other than Tepper coming in to change gears.
Which is why "too loyal" may not be the right term. But having "too much faith" in Tepper certainly was.
This post was edited on 9/13/17 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 9/13/17 at 12:52 pm to BilJ
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Dean's dumbass wanted to give Gerry one more season
We were very lucky to get Saban. He had his agent back channeled to LSU. Joe Dean and several BOS met with Saban and his agent in Memphis. Saban wanted commitments to infrastructure, Recruiting budgets and nice money pools for assistant coaches. He had done his homework on Louisiana and saw how many players left the state to go on to excel in other programs. He wanted to build a wall around the state. He told the LSU party that if they followed what he said they could win a Natty within 5 years. Dean called back and told Mark E. that he could get him for 800K per year. Dean was told to offer 1.2 Million and give him whatever assurances he needed to sign.
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