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Posted on 4/9/26 at 11:39 am to Cubera
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Seems like every close replay review at first base is looking at the ball at the glove or in the glove vs foot touching bag. Some have said ball disappears into glove but it’s not caught until the glove moves. At that level of analysis, which seems like every 1st base review, it seems like stretching matters.
I guess it depends on how often a play at first is THAT close and the runner is safe when the 1st baseman doesn't stretch OR the runner is out because the 1st basement stretched. I would venture to say that happens about once ever 2 or 3 games. Remember, if the ball is thrown high (head level or above), the 1st basement cannot really go down to far and still catch it.
Like I said, stretching can reduce the number of balls that a 1st baseman has to short hop. Infielders that played with Tre had few errors because he cleaned up their errant throws so well, and part of that was the stretch. Even terrible defensive first basemen will catch the ball just about every tiem if the ball hits them in the mitt on the fly. It's the short hops that are difficult. There are usually several short hops in every game.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 12:04 pm to ProjectP2294
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Sometimes stretching for the ball makes sense. Sometimes it doesn't. The time saved is negligible, but reducing the size of the target and putting yourself in a less adjustable position can be a net negative over the milliseconds you might shave off.
You’re getting downvoted but this a prevailing opinion of a majority of people at the highest level of baseball.
Came up recently during a SF Giants game
Posted on 4/9/26 at 12:11 pm to Hester Carries
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Came up recently during a SF Giants game
I'm nearly certain that's where I heard it.
ETA: And they've had a lot of bad first base play lately. So I feel like they're good sources on commentating on what bad first base play looks like.
This post was edited on 4/9/26 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 4/9/26 at 12:15 pm to bayoujd
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Too many 1B stretch too early, before the throw is made, and then put themselves out of position to catch a throw that is a little wide.
I’m sorry what lol no one is stretching before they see the trajectory of the ball. Do you guys know anything about sports lol
Who cares what the size of the target is when the ball is already on its way to it? The ball doesn’t have eyes.
This post was edited on 4/9/26 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 4/9/26 at 12:19 pm to Jax-Tiger
Morgan would’ve been good to elite at any position
I watch that play where he threw out the baw at home weekly
I watch that play where he threw out the baw at home weekly
Posted on 4/9/26 at 12:20 pm to Jax-Tiger
Did you know that pitcher's can throw 101 mph with immacuate contral and nasty offspeed? I was just watching Paul Skenes highlights.
Man, why can't our current pitchers be like him?
Man, why can't our current pitchers be like him?
Posted on 4/9/26 at 12:25 pm to Lazy But Talented
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I’m sorry what lol no one is stretching before they see the trajectory of the ball. Do you guys know anything about sports lol Who cares what the size of the target is when the ball is already on its way to it? The ball doesn’t have eyes.
Are you arguing that no one has ever had a ball go over their glove because they stretched out and lowered their glove from the height it would have been had they not stretched.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 12:27 pm to Lazy But Talented
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Who cares what the size of the target is when the ball is already on its way to it? The ball doesn’t have eyes.
The people throwing the ball do
Posted on 4/9/26 at 12:59 pm to Jax-Tiger
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Tre Morgan was absolutely nails
That play at home plate was one of the most clutch defensive plays in LSU baseball history in my opinion. He doesn’t make that we lose the series and Wake goes on to play Florida.
This post was edited on 4/9/26 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 4/9/26 at 1:11 pm to Jax-Tiger
you don't stretch till you know where the ball is going. => played first base
Posted on 4/9/26 at 1:12 pm to josh336
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The people throwing the ball do
They really don't. When the infielder is throwing, the 1st baseman is NEVER in the stretch position.
Thats the point. The ball is already on the way when the first basement makes the decision to stretch. If the ball is wide or high, then the stretch makes no sense. I have never seen a play where the ball sales over the head of a first baseman who is down on the ground. It may have happened, but I've never seen it.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 1:44 pm to Lazy But Talented
if size of the target is what matters, every throw to Yorke should be on the money
Posted on 4/9/26 at 1:49 pm to ProjectP2294
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The time saved is negligible, but reducing the size of the target and putting yourself in a less adjustable position can be a net negative over the milliseconds you might shave off.
As a former 1st baseman, the location of throw dictates everything. Once you see the location of the throw that tells you if you have to stretch forward, left, right, up, or even low if the throw is in the dirt. You don’t stretch ahead of the throw. That doesn’t make sense. I’ll add I’ve seen players get off balance and stretch too early on occasion, but it’s not the right way to play the position. It will cause errors at the position.
This post was edited on 4/9/26 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 4/9/26 at 2:44 pm to ProjectP2294
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The time saved is negligible, but reducing the size of the target and putting yourself in a less adjustable position can be a net negative over the milliseconds you might shave off.
This is correct
Posted on 4/9/26 at 3:00 pm to Jax-Tiger
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Did you know that First Basemen are allowed to stretch for the ball?
Why wouldn’t they be?
Posted on 4/9/26 at 3:17 pm to ultratiger89
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Why wouldn’t they be?
I was just referencing the difference in style between Tre Morgan and the guys who came after him - mainly Bear Jones and Zach Yorke, neither of whom would go into the fill stretch. Obviously, build and flexibility has something to do with that.
Some guys don't like going low like that. They will lean and reach out, but won't stretch into a semi-split or split position to get an extra few inches.
You can question whether you gain much by going into the stretch position, but it is entertaining when the 1st baseman does it. Tre Morgan was as good as anybody doing it.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 4:25 pm to Jax-Tiger
It's tough if the first baseman is 75 pounds overweight.
Posted on 4/9/26 at 5:14 pm to Jax-Tiger
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how good we had it for 3 years with him on 1st.
My favorite 1st baseman of all time - he will never be equalled - at the college level anyway
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