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re: Did LSU fans feel slighted when Paul Dietzel bolted for Army & later USCe?
Posted on 1/22/17 at 8:56 am to TGFN57
Posted on 1/22/17 at 8:56 am to TGFN57
Pure Paul Diezel spin. He had already accepted the Army job by the time team got to Miami and this "meeting" with General Middleton before the Colorado game.
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Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:20 am to LayupKing
Yes. He swore that he would never leave LSU. Talk to some of his former players about the loss they felt. He did have a very strong connection to Army from his time there with Red Blaik and they were going through an extremely difficult time at West Point with the academic scandal. West Point needed someone to clean up the mess and Red Blaik needed someone with cred to clean up his soiled reputation.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:31 am to LayupKing
I was referring to that horseshite about Corbett. He died of a heart attack. End of story.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:45 am to radicalizedtigah
It was a long time before fans forgave Dietzel for leaving LSU.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 9:52 am to doubleb
Cann't speak to the other, but there were a ton of rumors about PD & the ladies. One in particular who was the wife of one in particular BOS.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 10:01 am to TGFN57
shot in br 1966. lost 4 pints of blood, look it up.died in 1967 heart attack
Posted on 1/22/17 at 11:07 am to radicalizedtigah
My dad always disliked Dietzel because of it.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 11:46 am to JohnnyU
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I don't think that's the case at all. Coaches weren't rushing to coach at Army.
That's because they couldn't.
Dietzel was the first coach not to have graduated from West Point.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 11:53 am to geauxpurple
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I was 8 years old and that was my 1st year as an LSU season ticket holder.
You cannot be considered a season ticket holder at 8 yrs old haha
Posted on 1/22/17 at 4:08 pm to Hester Carries
I considered myself a season ticket holder. My family had season tickets and one set was for me. That account is in my name today. My name is also on the wall outside the Superdome honoring the original Saints season ticket holders. I was there in 1967 watching John Gilliam run the opening kickoff back and that original account is in my name today.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 4:24 pm to radicalizedtigah
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Did LSU fans feel slighted
Yes!....... I was 1 year old shite my diaper.
Posted on 1/22/17 at 5:04 pm to radicalizedtigah
as weird as it sounds Army was very influential in the college football world at that time. LSU would consult with Army before hiring football coaches and other football matters. the world of college football was very, very different than today. losing Dietzel to Army was kind of "normal" (for lack of a better word). remember, LSU has a long military tradition and ROTC was mandantory until the '70's
Posted on 1/22/17 at 6:40 pm to LSU GrandDad
In today's times he never would have made it. He had three good seasons his entire coaching career. Oh how times have changed.....
Posted on 1/22/17 at 8:48 pm to ZULU
The stories at the time of the events in question, from LSU staff in the sport departments:
Paul Dietzel was going to be front page news when the story about him being named in divorce papers is kept off the front page only by Jim Corbett.
Jim Corbett was shot in 1966, saying he got lost and was asking for directions. He was shot inside or just outside the door, heard 3 versions.
I know the person that told Paul to leave Baton Rouge or the next time he heard x he would....
I think many here know his name and why Paul got his nickname.
I meet Jim in late 66 sitting in the press Box one night. Jim would die Jan 30 1967, having checked into a N.O. hotel and calling the desk clerk saying he was ill. Dr. Abe Mickal (LSU football player from the early 30's) was called and found Jim had passed away from a heart attack at age 47.
Paul Dietzel was going to be front page news when the story about him being named in divorce papers is kept off the front page only by Jim Corbett.
Jim Corbett was shot in 1966, saying he got lost and was asking for directions. He was shot inside or just outside the door, heard 3 versions.
I know the person that told Paul to leave Baton Rouge or the next time he heard x he would....
I think many here know his name and why Paul got his nickname.
I meet Jim in late 66 sitting in the press Box one night. Jim would die Jan 30 1967, having checked into a N.O. hotel and calling the desk clerk saying he was ill. Dr. Abe Mickal (LSU football player from the early 30's) was called and found Jim had passed away from a heart attack at age 47.
This post was edited on 1/22/17 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 1/22/17 at 11:49 pm to tigger1
I personally spoke with one of Paul Dietzel''s sons at a Recruiting Bash. He told me that President Middleton did tell him that it was his duty to go to West Point. Dietzel was a class gentleman and has always been very accommodating and friendly in my dealings with him. I think had he stayed at LSU, he would have lead LSU to more championships and Bear Bryant would not have been so dominant
Posted on 1/22/17 at 11:58 pm to radicalizedtigah
"Pepsodent Paul" was another vowing to never leave and then he bolted. He finally played LSU as an opposing coach when he was at USCe and was well jeered by LSU fans. He actually pitched a temper tantrum losing to his one time assistant Charles McClendon. A lot of that hatred from fans was still around when he came back as LSU's AD and he was primarily brought in to fire McClendon. Remember Dietzel's firing and those goddamned purple LSU rabbit fur coats that they practically had to give away because no one would buy the damned things.
I( can't blame him for Stovall. He had just lost what would have probably been an earlier "Nick Saban" in a plane crash, signing day was right around the corner and he needed a head coach fast. He thought about coming out of retirement as a coach and taking over the team and then decided against it. He then called Jerry Stovall and asked him to come to his office. Stovall took the job, but had to retain Bo Rein's assistants for at least a season or two. Some of Rein's assistants thought they should have been elevated and were miffed over that. There was some conjecture that a couple of them even tried to sabotage him. He could recruit, but had up and down seasons. His highlight season was probably the year he took the team to the Orange Bowl and gave Nebraska a run for their money. Dietzel got fired and Bob Brodhead came on as AD and let Stovall go through a losing season before replacing him with Bill Arnsparger.
But to get back to your question, yes, there was some fan anger towards Paul Dietzel.
I( can't blame him for Stovall. He had just lost what would have probably been an earlier "Nick Saban" in a plane crash, signing day was right around the corner and he needed a head coach fast. He thought about coming out of retirement as a coach and taking over the team and then decided against it. He then called Jerry Stovall and asked him to come to his office. Stovall took the job, but had to retain Bo Rein's assistants for at least a season or two. Some of Rein's assistants thought they should have been elevated and were miffed over that. There was some conjecture that a couple of them even tried to sabotage him. He could recruit, but had up and down seasons. His highlight season was probably the year he took the team to the Orange Bowl and gave Nebraska a run for their money. Dietzel got fired and Bob Brodhead came on as AD and let Stovall go through a losing season before replacing him with Bill Arnsparger.
But to get back to your question, yes, there was some fan anger towards Paul Dietzel.
Posted on 1/23/17 at 7:24 am to miketiger
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It was even worse than Saban leaving.
I wonder what the rant looked like back then
Posted on 1/23/17 at 10:44 am to radicalizedtigah
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After graduating from Miami in 1948, Dietzel began his coaching career as an assistant coach. He served under such legendary coaches as Red Blaik at Army and Bear Bryant at the University of Kentucky.
In 1958, however, Dietzel came up with a unique three-team platoon system. It consisted of three teams of 11 different players, and was designed to keep his players from being fatigued in an era when most players started on both offense and defense. Instead of replacing individual players during the game, Dietzel would bring in an entirely new set of players between plays and series. The three teams were called the White Team (the first-string offense and defense), the Gold (Go) Team (the second-string offense), and the Chinese Bandits (the second-string defense). The system worked, as the Tigers went undefeated and won the national championship. The Chinese Bandits, the second-string defensive unit, which consisted of less-talented but ferocious players, became hugely popular with LSU fans and remains one of the most legendary pieces of LSU football history.[3]
After 1958, Dietzel continued to have success at LSU. His teams finished with 9–1 regular seasons in 1959 and 1961, finishing No. 3 and No. 4 in the final AP Poll. The 1959 team was ranked first in the country in both wire-service polls until losing to the Tennessee Volunteers, 14–13, in the eighth game of the season. LSU concluded the season with a 21–0 loss to Ole Miss in the Sugar Bowl, two months after the top-ranked Tigers beat the third-ranked Rebels 7–3 in Tiger Stadium on Billy Cannon's 89-yard punt return, a play that helped win Cannon the Heisman Trophy.
Dietzel's final game as LSU's coach was the 1962 Orange Bowl, in which LSU defeated the Colorado Buffaloes 25–7.[4] After the 1961 season, Dietzel accepted the head coaching job at Army. He was the first non-Army graduate to hold the position. In a 2005 article for the Concordia Sentinel of Ferriday, Louisiana, Dietzel said that leaving LSU was one of the hardest decisions he ever made.
"I think the way you measure my move is 'Was LSU better when I left than when I came in?'" Dietzel said. "It was tough leaving. I never considered going anywhere else because I thought LSU was the best coaching job in America. I loved the LSU fans. They are crazy and passionate about it. I had never considered West Point because they had never had a non-graduate coach. When they came around and asked me if I would be interested, it opened a door I thought would never be opened."
This post was edited on 1/23/17 at 10:47 am
Posted on 1/23/17 at 12:36 pm to Old
alvin roy (istrouma) served w/ the u.s. olympic weightlifting team after ww2. he brought weightlifting to b.r. and the istrouma h.s. billy cannon chose lsu as alvin transferred to be lsu weight coach.
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So once again Roy paid a visit to a coach in this case Coach Dietzel--who held the same negative view of weight training that the Browns had held. As he had done before, Roy was able to convince Dietzel to give him and his weightlifting program a chance, and despite predictions that LSU would finish ninth in the SEC, LSU went undefeated the 1958 season, winning LSU its first national championship and making Paul Dietzel the Coach of the Year. Cannon went on to win the Heisman Trophy, as well as the 100, 200, and shot put in Track competitions that spring.
Coach Dietzel had many opportunities to speak after this unbelievable season, and he was always quick to give credit to Alvin Roy and his weightlifting program!
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1955 LSU 3–5–2 2–3–1 9th
1956 LSU 3–7 1–5 11th
1957 LSU 5–5 4–4 7th
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So once again Roy paid a visit to a coach in this case Coach Dietzel--who held the same negative view of weight training that the Browns had held. As he had done before, Roy was able to convince Dietzel to give him and his weightlifting program a chance, and despite predictions that LSU would finish ninth in the SEC, LSU went undefeated the 1958 season, winning LSU its first national championship and making Paul Dietzel the Coach of the Year. Cannon went on to win the Heisman Trophy, as well as the 100, 200, and shot put in Track competitions that spring.
Coach Dietzel had many opportunities to speak after this unbelievable season, and he was always quick to give credit to Alvin Roy and his weightlifting program!
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1955 LSU 3–5–2 2–3–1 9th
1956 LSU 3–7 1–5 11th
1957 LSU 5–5 4–4 7th
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Posted on 1/23/17 at 1:10 pm to SmoothOperator96
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I wonder what the rant looked like back then
I was just wondering the same thing, actually. It would be cool if someone got really bored and did a "mock-up" of what each of the boards would have been like circa 1960.
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