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re: Did Alabama outplay LSU ? Every Bama fan I talk to says this.

Posted on 11/10/11 at 8:56 am to
Posted by Bobby Moore
Red Hill, Mississippi
Member since Jun 2005
17751 posts
Posted on 11/10/11 at 8:56 am to
While LSU's defense and special teams certainly deserve most of the credit for the win, one thing worth mentioning about the offense is that LSU managed to rush for 148 yards against Alabama when the Tide were allowing an average of only 45 yards per game. As for the outstanding defensive performance, something worth mentioning that I wasn't aware of until last night is that once Alabama was inside the 30-yard-line, they gained a total of minus 17 yards.

Yes they out played LSU......
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Ft. Lauderdale
Member since Jul 2005
33360 posts
Posted on 11/10/11 at 8:57 am to
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if your kicker is unable to make the kick, it is not an opportunity. It's stupid coaching.

It's not stupid if he makes it. He would have been a hero then. Hindsight makes it look like a stupid decision but Saban probably felt with our ferocious defense this would be his only opportunity to try to get points, and he went for it. It's a gamble that didn't pay off.
Posted by TigerWoody
btwn where I was & where I will be
Member since Dec 2007
11387 posts
Posted on 11/10/11 at 8:59 am to
Saban has shown time and again, he is a terrible gambler. Les has shown time and again, he is a very good gambler. Queue Kenny Rogers.
Posted by cajunjj
Madison, AL
Member since May 2008
7427 posts
Posted on 11/10/11 at 9:02 am to
They are starting to sound like O'll Piss with moral victory's. Kind a sounds like Tulane when they were in the SEC.
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 11/10/11 at 9:04 am to
Of course Alabama outplayed LSU on many plays during the game. The key is that LSU outplayed Alabama on most of the critical plays during the game. On the plays where LSU performed better than Alabama it is not important whether Alabama made a bad play or LSU a great play. All that matters is the results of the scoring plays. And the scoreboard is objective evidence of which team played better.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
60937 posts
Posted on 11/10/11 at 9:06 am to
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Of course Alabama outplayed LSU on many plays during the game. The key is that LSU outplayed Alabama on most of the critical plays during the game. On the plays where LSU performed better than Alabama it is not important whether Alabama made a bad play or LSU a great play. All that matters is the results of the scoring plays. And the scoreboard is objective evidence of which team played better.


Finally someone who can actually think.
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
24967 posts
Posted on 11/10/11 at 9:07 am to
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Right there, all they had to do was run the ball up the middle


Aw shite! They should of thought of that.

You're not showing much grasp of the game.

There's a reason why they would attempt the Maze play. The same reason they gained -12 yards on 17 plays from inside the 30.

Once the field shortens, the defense stiffens, and takes away the run up the middle. Safeties, corners, LBer's, all have less coverage responsibility.

Alabama was unable to move the point of attack, due to an immobile QB. We moved the ball inside their 30, and all of significant yardage, because Saban had to commit a man to cover Jefferson.

Do you remember the Auburn game in '06, before JR took his first steps beyond the LOS? We moved the ball at will b/w the 30's.

Plays don't happen b/w the 30's when you're facing elite, SEC-style defenses.

Come on, mannnn!
Posted by HogTusks
Arkansas
Member since Sep 2010
1177 posts
Posted on 11/10/11 at 9:19 am to
Bama did outplay LSU. They had four missed field goals and a controversial interception at the 1 yard line. I was pulling for LSU and glad you all won the game, but Bama did indeed outplay you. With a rematch, Bama rolls (honestly not flaming).
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
70045 posts
Posted on 11/10/11 at 9:21 am to
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Once the field shortens, the defense stiffens, and takes away the run up the middle. Safeties, corners, LBer's, all have less coverage responsibility.


Anyone who watched that game and knows football could see LSU was playing conservative on defense. But when Bama got near the redzone LSU played more aggresively and made plays. Also how many yards did bama gain on busted coverages....is blowing an assignment on a play considered being outplayed? I don't think so.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
27194 posts
Posted on 11/10/11 at 9:24 am to
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if your kicker is unable to make the kick, it is not an opportunity. It's stupid coaching.

It's not stupid if he makes it. He would have been a hero then. Hindsight makes it look like a stupid decision but Saban probably felt with our ferocious defense this would be his only opportunity to try to get points, and he went for it. It's a gamble that didn't pay off.


Field position would have been the better call. Saban's call was a fail and he kept repeating the fail. Stupid decision when you consider their kicker sucks. It is not like Saban hand Drew on his side of the field. If that were the case then your argument might have legs.

If you can only kick the ball 46 yards and your stupid coach repeatedly ask you to try one that long or longer then that is stupid. Just throwing away field position.
Posted by wasteland
City of peace
Member since Apr 2011
5918 posts
Posted on 11/10/11 at 9:27 am to
I don't speak to Bama fans
Posted by Purplehaze
spring, tx
Member since Dec 2003
2357 posts
Posted on 11/10/11 at 9:28 am to
Ok new rule for just Bama and nobody else. For every 2 missed field goals, they get a free do over right after the second missed field goal.
Posted by Neauxla
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2008
34548 posts
Posted on 11/10/11 at 9:30 am to
I somewhat agree w/ unknownknight.

Bama's O moved the ball better but LSU moved the ball when it counted. Also, Saban's play calling screwed bama over a few times. In the end, LSU won...that's all that matters.
Posted by TDlurker
Member since Oct 2007
690 posts
Posted on 11/10/11 at 9:37 am to
There is so much stupid in this thread.

Alabama DID NOT outplay LSU. The only reason Alabama was in the game at all is because, for 3 quarters ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING went Alabama's way, and after that, as another poster has already mentioned, LSU wore them down, took over and beat them. Here are the facts:

(1) Alabama had exactly 6 possessions prior to McCarron's interception at the very end of Q3 (at which point LSU took over). Five of those were FG attempts, one was a punt. Of the 5 FG attempts, ONLY ONE was a legit drive NOT set up by a HUGE LSU mistake. That was the first drive, and that was on the strength of JUST TWO positive plays, including one where Richardson fumbled, and Alabama got a lucky bounce!!

(2) Of the other 4 FG attempts, two were set up by Lee's unforced interceptions, and BOTH of the other two were set up by BOTH a HUGE personal foul call, AND exactly ONE big positive play (including the big 40+ yard pass).

(3) Meanwhile LSU had several sustained drives that were cut short by mistakes, or in the case of the FG, cut short by the clock with LSU kicking a FG from the 2 yard line on 3rd down.

(4) Bottom line: Without Lee's unforced interceptions, and the two big PF calls, Alabama attempts ONLY ONE FG the ENTIRE FRICKING GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT IS NOT OUTPLAYING!!!!!!!!!
Posted by TexTiga
SugarLand , Tx
Member since Oct 2007
2549 posts
Posted on 11/10/11 at 9:40 am to
out·play (out-pl)
tr.v. out·played, out·play·ing, out·plays
To surpass (an opponent) in skill or technique or in scoring points.

Nope sorry.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
60937 posts
Posted on 11/10/11 at 9:41 am to
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(4) Bottom line: Without Lee's unforced interceptions, and the two big PF calls, Alabama attempts ONLY ONE FG the ENTIRE FRICKING GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT IS NOT OUTPLAYING!!!!!!!!!


This is why I can't stand the Rant. People can't reason past their own noses.

Lee plays for LSU genius. And the last time I checked, no one forced Saban to call the Maze pass to the one yard line. And AJ had another interception himself. You remove all interceptions and BAMA might have the advantage bc the LSU INT might have prevented a BAMA touchdown.

This post was edited on 11/10/11 at 9:43 am
Posted by Neauxla
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2008
34548 posts
Posted on 11/10/11 at 9:42 am to
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Lee's unforced interceptions
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ONE big positive play (including the big 40+ yard pass).
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everal sustained drives that were cut short by mistakes


I love the purple and gold spin on the facts
Posted by nycajun
Nothin' could be finer.....
Member since Dec 2004
18183 posts
Posted on 11/10/11 at 9:43 am to
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Saban probably felt with our ferocious defense this would be his only opportunity to try to get points


In the first half?? In the first quarter?? With a merely above-average kicker, from the edge of his range, into a breeze? What do you think Miles would have done (if he had the 'Bama FG kicker) against an equally (or more) ferocious defense? Seems pretty clear that he would have had his punter try to stick it on the 3-yard line and play field position. Maybe not late in the 4th. But in the 1st or 2nd? Close to a no-brainer.
Posted by LSUzealot
Napoleon and Magazine
Member since Sep 2003
57656 posts
Posted on 11/10/11 at 9:43 am to
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Most likely, the way they were running on us on that drive, they would have scored a TD just keeping the ball on the ground.




Based on what, richardson's 5 good carries or the other 18 for 15 yards

Or maybe it was the fact that they ran 17 plays inside the 30 for -12 total yards. That's a pretty good indication they are going to score. God what a moron go take another mirror pic and post on the OT.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
60937 posts
Posted on 11/10/11 at 9:45 am to
"on that drive"
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