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Jasonwilliamstaxes28
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"Daniels needs to throw it downfield" narrative comparison

The whole "Daniels needs to throw it down field" narrative is honestly more talked about than in 2011 when there was the "read option with Jefferson will work again against Bama" narrative. Literally all anyone talked about and it obviously blew up in our faces.

Now, we've basically had the fans, media, the head coach, a players meeting, and the player himself (Daniels) all mention publicly within a two day span that we are going to need throw the ball more and "trust our receivers". I don't think Tennessee is going to be utterly shocked if we decide to pass more against what they know is a weaker secondary. I've honestly changed my mind in the last 6 hours and think we should pound the rock and scramble into oblivion because it's so obvious what we are about to try and do on offense lmao.
This post was edited on 10/5 at 4:12 pm


kengel2
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The whole "Daniels needs to throw it down field" narrative


I dont think its necessarily a "down field" issue, the dude just needs to throw the ball period.

He cant take the hits he's taking and survive all season. He's already left 2 games.


Itwasacleantackle
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JD is dangerous enough with his legs that if they just neglect the run all game he will tear them apart. They can’t just gameplan that we’re only gonna pass.


CatfishJohn
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Right. If he is a threat to pass at all, his legs will be deadly.


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Fat Bastard
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when there was the "read option with Jefferson will work again against Bama" narrative.


read option is NOT a zone read.

JJ ran SPEED OPTION and some ZONE READS that year.

LINK


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ShadyTiger182
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I dont take all the talk as "we have to force a pass offense" i take it more as them acknowledging he cant always take the safe play and try to play mistake free over going for a score.

If WRs are in man vs man and 1v1 gotta take the chance the WR can beat their man and make the play over always taking a safe check down. Not were gonna keep passing over and over and over til it works.


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deathvalleytiger10
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I wish everyone would take the time to go watch the sky cast view of the Auburn game and see how it affects their opinion of Daniels performance. The entire “won’t throw the ball downfield” is vastly overblown.

Many of the plays nobody was open at all and the route trees look way to east to cover. Others, the pass protection collapsed before receivers were even close to breaking their routes. Not to mention the numerous drops.

He made a couple of bad throws and a few bad reads, yes.

But those drops don’t occur and he makes just 2 or 3 better decisions and he would have had a very good game.

Hopefully it gets corrected, from a scheme standpoint, improvement by JD, and the receivers.


GetmorewithLes
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I've honestly changed my mind in the last 6 hours and think we should pound the rock and scramble into oblivion because it's so obvious what we are about to try and do on offense lmao.



Haha! I said the same thing the last couple days... We have a dynamic runner QB and a couple good RB's. We could run the zone read all day on them and force them to stack the box and open up the throwing lanes if needed. If they are not stopping it and we were ahead then I would keep doing it and burn clock to keep Huepel's offense off the field.

Another take I came up with was if LSU does not want JD to run so much then run his arse off the first qtr or so and get it out of his system...


K2LAW
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I wish everyone would take the time to go watch the sky cast view of the Auburn game and see how it affects their opinion of Daniels performance. The entire “won’t throw the ball downfield” is vastly overblown.


My husband and I did just that yesterday and totally agree


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doubleb
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I wish everyone would take the time to go watch the sky cast view of the Auburn game and see how it affects their opinion of Daniels performance. The entire “won’t throw the ball downfield” is vastly overblown.


Come on man, don’t screw this up. The Rant identified the problem and have the solution, and as usual it’s a dimple solution with one guy to blame.


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ibleedprplngld
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Or we just have a balanced offense…. Novel idea, I know!


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Nutriaitch
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read option with Jefferson will work again against Bama


if you use SOME option against 2011 Bama, it will work.
if you use ONLY option against them, you see what happened on 1/9/12

if Daniels takes SOME shots down field, it will help this offense.
if he just chucks it deep every play, we will suck worse than we do now.


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mpwilging
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I started this post a few days back:

If we don't start to stretch the field we will never have an effective offensePosted on 10/2/22 at 11:06 am

Long passes enable a better running game and even a better short-mid passing game. When teams stretch the field, it moves everyone from the LBers to DBs back a bit. Dink and dunk and screens in the flats have to mixed in with other plays to get the defense off expectations. We'll never compete with upper-echelon teams without doing this.

Offense needs to air it out 4-6 times per game or we will never really have anything close to resembling a successful offense.

A defense is like an accordian. You play it by either stretching it out or compressing it. If you never stretch it out your short pass game and run game is not going to look so great.



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Solo Cam
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If you can impose your will and run you should always do that. The problem is Tennessee isn't bad against the run but they're struggle mightily against the pass.

It seems a bit goofy to not to try to exploit their obvious weakness.


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BallsEleven
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We could run the zone read all day on them and force them to stack the box and open up the throwing lanes if needed.


Daniels is already hurting. We do this and May as well kiss him goodbye.


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Madking
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Any DC worth his salt isn’t going to change his approach until we can prove we can do what we’re talking about. Until Daniels actually does it nobody’s going to respect it.


kajunman
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The Tennessee DC doesn't read the rant for scouting reports. They already know Jayden is a bad qb. They already know he wants to run. Having a qb/wr meeting after the 5th game of the season lets you know how things have disintegrated.

None of the wr's wanted to listen to Jayden Saturday night on the sidelines. He lost their ears. He knows it. Now he has do something about it.


AnthonyWC70788
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I wish everyone would take the time to go watch the sky cast view of the Auburn game and see how it affects their opinion of Daniels performance. The entire “won’t throw the ball downfield” is vastly overblown.

Many of the plays nobody was open at all and the route trees look way to east to cover. Others, the pass protection collapsed before receivers were even close to breaking their routes. Not to mention the numerous drops.

He made a couple of bad throws and a few bad reads, yes.

But those drops don’t occur and he makes just 2 or 3 better decisions and he would have had a very good game.

Hopefully it gets corrected, from a scheme standpoint, improvement by JD, and the receivers.




Yes we have... I dont know what you were watching... He did have receivers open. Alot of times it was the farthest read. Alot of times he waits one more half second and player is wide open. Other times he has one on one that if thrown the receiver can make a play. You know how rare it is to see any receiver wide open against good teams in college? You have to identify your one on ones and throw to that receiver. He only wants to throw to stopped players because he is inaccurate and does not want to throw an interception. Coaches keep sugar coating it and covering but literally he is gun shy. Prime example was ASU last year. Threw all kinds of interceptions. He doesnt want to make that mistakes.


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Wadey
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They won’t go watch they will just repeat the narrative that was force fed to them. Your standing in a cowfeild trying to have a conversation with many on this board.
I love my Tigers and really think this kid is taking more of the beating than he deserves. Hopefully the kid is strong and can take all this bull shite in stride. I just hope it doesn’t put more pressure on him.


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Wadey
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He threw for 300 the week before. What happened in that game? I guess he can throw the ball right. 9 drops dude and when we needed it most he drove down the field and scored.
Shut up and take the win.


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