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Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:34 am to tigerskin
I supported Dale Brown when I first saw how polarizing he had become to current LSU basketball fans. But then I heard Dick Vitale rustling under the sheets with him and it opened my eyes.
Ask Dale to tell you who Harry Moran was. UCLA, we found out later, had Sam Gilbert. LSU had Harry Moran.
Rudy Macklin and Kenny Higgs were from Kentucky, Shaq and DeWayne Scales were from Texas, Greg Cook from New Jersey, Stanley Roberts was from South Carolina. How did all those guys end up in Baton Rouge?
Dale justifies it by saying he cared about his players and that it's the evil NCAA that is the problem.
It is laughable that Brown claims that Scott Drew is doing things at Baylor "the right way." Nothing at Baylor is being done the right way. OK, maybe baseball. But certainly not men's or women's basketball.
Thing is, I don't think Brown is feeding Vitale information as much as both feeding each other what little they know. All of Brown's old sources are gone now, unless Collis Temple is still finding out little things.
I'm guessing that Will Wade just doesn't care to hear what a bitter 85-year-old man has to say, and the snub (plus the praise for the new guy) has rubbed Dale the wrong way.
Think about it: Brown had Shaquille O'Neal, Chris Jackson and Stanley Roberts on the same team and he still didn't win the SEC outright or get to the Final Four.
Ask Dale to tell you who Harry Moran was. UCLA, we found out later, had Sam Gilbert. LSU had Harry Moran.
Rudy Macklin and Kenny Higgs were from Kentucky, Shaq and DeWayne Scales were from Texas, Greg Cook from New Jersey, Stanley Roberts was from South Carolina. How did all those guys end up in Baton Rouge?
Dale justifies it by saying he cared about his players and that it's the evil NCAA that is the problem.
It is laughable that Brown claims that Scott Drew is doing things at Baylor "the right way." Nothing at Baylor is being done the right way. OK, maybe baseball. But certainly not men's or women's basketball.
Thing is, I don't think Brown is feeding Vitale information as much as both feeding each other what little they know. All of Brown's old sources are gone now, unless Collis Temple is still finding out little things.
I'm guessing that Will Wade just doesn't care to hear what a bitter 85-year-old man has to say, and the snub (plus the praise for the new guy) has rubbed Dale the wrong way.
Think about it: Brown had Shaquille O'Neal, Chris Jackson and Stanley Roberts on the same team and he still didn't win the SEC outright or get to the Final Four.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:44 am to Topwater Trout
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much harder to make the tourney in the 70's when only 32 teams were invited
O.k. Let's play that. He would have made the NIT with his year 6 team in today's format. Other than that the only other year he MAYBE makes the NIT is his first year when he went 14-10 and 9-9.
WW made the NIT his first year and had the season not been suspended last year would have made the next 3 NCAA tourney.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 7:07 am to tigerskin
Dude it was Will Wade who got caught cheating. Not Dick Vitale, Dale Brown or whoever else you want to pull into it. Deal with it or leave it alone.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:52 am to Tiger Ugly
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O.k. Let's play that
there is nothing to play...I am sure some don't realize making post season is much easier now than in the 70's
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:56 am to Topwater Trout
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there is nothing to play...I am sure some don't realize making post season is much easier now than in the 70's
So once again, apply the 70s standards to will wade’s first 4 years at LSU.
How many postseason appearances do his teams have using those standards? How many postseason appearances did dale browns teams have on his first 4 years?
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:27 am to Open Your Eyes
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How many postseason appearances do his teams have using those standards?
maybe 1? 2019
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How many postseason appearances did dale browns teams have on his first 4 years?
Comparing a program that had only made 2 ncaa tourney appearance to one that since the late 70's has made almost 20 isn't really comparable.
Hate DB if you want but he pretty much put LSU bball on the map. I am a WW fan but c'mon he has some work to do before being a better coach than DB at LSU
Posted on 4/15/21 at 10:14 am to Topwater Trout
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maybe 1? 2019
Maybe 1? His team was the SEC champion in 2019. Given there was no SEC tournament in in dale browns first 4 years at LSU, that 2019 team would’ve made the ncaa tournament.
And if for some reason they didn’t, they definitely would’ve fulfilled the NIT auto bid requirement of a team winning its regular season conference title and not making the ncaa tournament.
If you’re incapable of having honest conversation, why are you even here?
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Comparing a program that had only made 2 ncaa tourney appearance to one that since the late 70's has made almost 20 isn't really comparable.
This is beyond stupid.
First, it’s absurdly easy to point out your own argument that it’s been much easier to make tournaments since the late 70s than it was before that time.
Second, Penn, Kansas st, byu, temple, and lots of other schools have more tournament appearances than Lsu. Which of those programs is in a better position than LSU right now?
Dale brown took over a team that was 10-16, 6-12, and tied 7 in the sec the year before he got there. He made no substantial improvements on those in his first 4 years.
Will Wade took over a team that was 10-21, 2-16, and tied 13 in the second the year before he got there and has made substantial improvements to all of those.
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Hate DB if you want but he pretty much put LSU bball on the map. I am a WW fan but c'mon he has some work to do before being a better coach than DB at LSU
The moron that prompted this discussion claimed Wade hasn’t accomplished a fraction of what brown did and mocked him making the sweet 16.
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 10:17 am
Posted on 4/15/21 at 10:20 am to Open Your Eyes
All those out of state players you mention Dale got.... you can say exactly the same thing about Will Wade.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 10:33 am to PurpleExile
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Think about it: Brown had Shaquille O'Neal, Chris Jackson and Stanley Roberts on the same team and he still didn't win the SEC outright or get to the Final Four.
not a super valid litmus bar considering domination of the league by Kentucky, similar to looking at our overall football success against bama
Posted on 4/15/21 at 10:47 am to 777Tiger
Nobody is going to tell me DB didn`t cheat.You don`t
bring great players from Cali,NY,NJ etc.with out giving
some kind of incentives. The great John Wooden had his
money man, he just was left out of the details for plausible
deniability.DB is FOS.
bring great players from Cali,NY,NJ etc.with out giving
some kind of incentives. The great John Wooden had his
money man, he just was left out of the details for plausible
deniability.DB is FOS.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 10:47 am to 777Tiger
And remember, Dale Brown beat UK 18 times..... Folks might not want to admit it, but Dale took LSU basketball to heights never seen before or since. That's a fact.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 10:48 am to AndrewD
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Dude it was Will Wade who got caught cheating. Not Dick Vitale, Dale Brown or whoever else you want to pull into it. Deal with it or leave it alone.
You have a long history of bashing on Wade and pumping up Dale. Did you play for Dale (you said you played for a HOF coach) although I don’t remember an Andrew.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 10:57 am to PurpleExile
quote:There are so many legitimate arguments against Dale Brown, but I easily find this one the absolute laziest. It's been regurgitated so much now that most people just accept it without any context.
Think about it: Brown had Shaquille O'Neal, Chris Jackson and Stanley Roberts on the same team and he still didn't win the SEC outright or get to the Final Four.
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 11:07 am
Posted on 4/15/21 at 10:58 am to tiger81
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Dale Brown beat UK 18 times..
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Dale took LSU basketball to heights never seen before or since. That's a fact.
absolutely, whippersnappers on here don't think much went on before their time, they can't relate to different eras, we were playing in a fricking cow barn before Dale got here!
ETA: the Assembly Center was a pretty good recruiting tool in itself, factored in to htf did Dale get these kids from out of state to come here?
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 11:00 am
Posted on 4/15/21 at 11:04 am to AndrewD
quote:What?
Dude it was Will Wade who got caught cheating.
quote:Thanks for the sanctions in 1998 Will Wade. I know you were only 16yo at the time, but come on!
Not Dick Vitale, Dale Brown
Posted on 4/15/21 at 12:00 pm to 777Tiger
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not a super valid litmus bar considering domination of the league by Kentucky, similar to looking at our overall football success against bama
In the 2 years those 3 players were together at LSU, kentucky was on probation and went 14-14, 10-8 and 22-6, 14-4.
Additionally, Kentucky’s dominance had nothing to do with the fact that Lsu won 1 tournament game in the 3 years Shaq was at LSU.
Try again.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 12:00 pm to AndrewD
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Dude it was Will Wade who got caught cheating.
Oh really. When did he go to jail for breaking the law, get fired, or disciplined for anything? I'll wait for your reply.
He didn't get caught doing anything.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 12:03 pm to tiger81
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All those out of state players you mention Dale got.... you can say exactly the same thing about Will Wade.
That wasn’t me but I’ll answer anyway.
I haven’t seen anybody have a problem with people saying Wade is doing shady if not illegal things to get good players at LSU.
I have seen people having a problem with dale brown being a huge hypocrite in saying everybody DOES NOT do it when he absolutely did.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 12:07 pm to Open Your Eyes
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Maybe 1? His team was the SEC champion in 2019. Given there was no SEC tournament in in dale browns first 4 years at LSU, that 2019 team would’ve made the ncaa tournament. And if for some reason they didn’t, they definitely would’ve fulfilled the NIT auto bid requirement of a team winning its regular season conference title and not making the ncaa tournament. If you’re incapable of having honest conversation, why are you even here?
I said 2019...so that is 1 year out of 4 that he definitely gets us in post season. Are you incapable of comprehension?
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Dale brown took over a team that was 10-16, 6-12, and tied 7 in the sec the year before he got there. He made no substantial improvements on those in his first 4 years
he took over a program that was 76-86 the 6yrs prior to being hired
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Will Wade took over a team that was 10-21, 2-16, and tied 13 in the second the year before he got there and has made substantial improvements to all of those.
a program that was 90-72 the previous 5 yrs
LSU bball was in a much better place when WW took over than when DB took over you are being dishonest or have comprehension problems...and like I have said I am a WW fan. I never put him down I was merely trying to put in perspective making a 32 team tourney is harder than 64 or 66 whatever it is now
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The moron that prompted this discussion claimed Wade hasn’t accomplished a fraction of what brown did and mocked him making the sweet 16.
and I said comparing the 2 early in career at LSU is apples to oranges
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