re: Current SEC Kenpom MBB rankings, LSU is 9th in SEC.

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Do you have an explanation for how Wade raised the funds for the various blue chip recruits that played for him at LSU?

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A combination of personal funds to start (Waters and Smart) followed by booster funds would be my guess.

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Why hasn't McMahon procured this funding during his first 3 years here?

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McMahon was hired to run a clean program in Wade's wake. Risk taking was off the table. When NIL kicked in there wasn't booster support that was needed.

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Could reasonable people agree Wade WOULD HAVE somehow, some way gotten better funding than McMahon the last 3 years in order to win more games?

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No, because he was fired. With the NCAA attention no way would he would have been allowed to play fast and loose. And since you couldn't trust him to lay low for a few years, you had to fire him.

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I don't think it is necessary unreasonable that Wade retained his own attorney in response to an investigation of him by his employer

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He didn't. There was no investigation of him by his employer at that point. There was an investigation of his actions by the NCAA and, apparently (at that point), the FBI. LSU wanted to meet with him to figure out whether they needed an investigation (or a cover up, or a stonewalling, or whatever). He refused, and hired his own attorney. THAT is what prompted LSU to "investigate" him (and pretty quickly, fire him). That is entirely practical, since they had no way of knowing what dirt he could or would serve up to the NCAA to save his own skin since, again, he wouldn't communicate with them. If your employee is at the center of an investigation which could theoretically land him in jail for several years, and could also possibly nail you with millions of dollars worth of sanctions and/or penalties, then he ghosts you AND hires his own lawyer, the most obvious logical conclusion is that he is contemplating selling you out to save himself (or has already done it). It looks like that isn't what Wade actually did in this case, but how could LSU have possibly concluded that he wasn't going to do that when, again, he refused to even tell them that much? Not even a, "hey, don't do anything rash because I promise I'm not going to turn on you." He didn't even pretend to reassure them.

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That's probably not true. Throughout the history it has been shown "cooperating" with the NCAA generally doesn't work in your favor.

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I didn't say cooperate with the NCAA. I said cooperate with LSU. Had he communicated with LSU they could very well have worked out a response (or refusal to respond) with a consolidated front, stonewalling entirely if necessary, with some confidence that they wouldn't be left holding the bag. But since he refused to even communicate with LSU, they had zero opportunity to do that. They couldn't even tell the NCAA, "go frick yourself, nobody's talking to you," because Wade wasn't even there for LSU to tell him not to cooperate. And that complete refusal to even communicate with LSU, much less cooperate with them, is 100% on Wade. THAT is how he earned himself a summary sacking.

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Severe? LSU's sanctions were effectively nothing.

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Three years probation in addition to the loss of scholarships, plus the football stuff, but also the "show cause" would have affected LSU since Wade would still have been our coach. But, as has been pointed out by others, had there been a unified front of stonewalling (like at some other programs) the sanctions might well have been even less without our even having to self-sanction. But Wade made that impossible by refusing to communicate with LSU. It's impossible to stonewall when the main source on your side isn't cooperating with you.

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Tate and Woodward emphatically said no because they didn't trust Wade.

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Nor should they, or anyone else who contemplates employing him. In the single biggest professional crisis of his career (created entirely by his own foolishness), he refused to even communicate with the employers he endangered. No one with any common sense should ever consider trusting him. If NC State's contract with him doesn't have iron-clad, seven-digit plus penalty clauses for anything short of absolutely open-book cooperation, they are fools. The fact that people with influence got pissed about it is simply further proof that having money (and therefore influence) is not a sign of having common sense. Of course, the history of boosters in college sports -- and some owners in professional sports (*cough*DanSnyder*cough*) -- along with most celebrity news has offered plenty of proof of that already.

These people just make shite up. The findings of the Wade situation have been posted here many times. The Dawkins case particulars many times yet they just keep repeating lies because it suits a narrative. Thats all these posters do is push propaganda and nonsense. 95% of what they say is verifiably false.

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I said it was my "guess" that he started the ball rolling with Waters and Smart, although even on the latter he was talking to others who could pay. His willingness to start there probably triggered others to invest in others. I never suggested he bankrolled everyone.

When you think about it, a personal $500k investment can go a long way.

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Wade is a very good recruiter…of both basketball players AND donors. Forget LSU for a moment and look at McNeese. That program had (near) ZERO financial support until he arrived. Yet, just like at LSU, the very first thing he did was create relationships with prominent (wealthy) LC area people to raise the money he would need for NIL. I’ve had business dealings with multiple people in the area who never, not once, cared a lick about McNeese basketball, who began giving money when Wade reached out to them.

There are those who live in the fantasy land of what college sports SHOULD be about. Then there are those who live in the reality of what college sports (at least football and men’s basketball) ARE…multi-million dollar entertainment businesses. It’s generally those who live in reality that have success. Those who don’t want to embrace what college sports ARE (a marketplace for great players) fall behind. You are seeing it in real time at LSU with Trent Johnson and now, McMahon.

By all accounts McMahon is a good guy. But his job is not as a Deacon in the church. It’s as a major conference basketball coach. Cutthroat recruiting and shaking the money tree to play players is a BIG part of the job…in addition to actually coaching them. When a guy struggles at both, a 14-40 conference record is the byproduct.

So you're down for Wade investing around $500k of HIS OWN CASH to "get the ball rolling" on his initial illegal recruiting efforts at LSU.

What is your estimate of the personal funds he used at VCU and Chattanooga?

Because that MOTHERFLUCKER WRECKED shite at every stop. You have to pay for players to do that.

Also, in your "estimation " have any other college coaches raided THEIR OWN personal retirement accounts in order to be successful? Or do you think Wade is just an outlier in that?

This has nothing to do with Wade. He’s gone. And everything has changed since he left so most of these posts are pointless.The fact is LSU spent less than most every SEC school the last 3 years. Period. Get over it. Wade was a great recruiter and was able to raise money at McNeese but he doesn’t have to do that at NCST. They gave him $10 mil.

You continue to make shite up about money when you obviously have zero clue.

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As a side note, tGeneral and N.C. State are currently 27.

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I never thought I'd see a fanbase act like they have over this guy. A coach that has never sniffed a championship or even sat the bench for a sweet 16 game. But, OM fans have said hold my beer as it relates to Kiffin, albeit for different reasons. LOL

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You continue to make shite up about money when you obviously have zero clue.

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so you have all the answers right? I haven't been here very long, but you do seem to know a lot more than anyone else. I don't get why people make fun of you on here. You are obviously a very knowledgeable and smart individual, and most of us could learn a lot from you.