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Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:08 pm to LSUintheNW
quote:and what proof are you referring to?
proof is in the numbers.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:10 pm to bfniii
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please tell me that you're aware of the hatch/lee/perriloux situation
That's fine, but we're now in year 2 of this "situation" and we still seem completely mystified by it.
The fact is, Crowton has done nothing to gameplan despite a weakness at QB.
Last year, he did nothing to protect Lee, which lead to a lot of his unfortunate picks. Obviously those don't all go on Gary, but why is Lee constantly, all year, throwing to the deep middle (the most dangerous part of the field)? Why not adjust?
This year, it seems to be the opposite. He's protected Jefferson to the point of anemia. He has no plan for getting JJ comfortable. JJ has gotten worse as the year has progressed, which simply defies all logic.
I expected the offense to struggle out the gate and I didn't expect to hang 35 on a stout Florida D, but to gain what, 137 yards? To have multiple games with multiple series of 3 and out against opponents that other teams have no problems metriculating up the field against with far less talent... is simply inexcusable.
Do you think Chris Todd at Auburn is a better QB than JJ?
I wouldn't think so. Yet, his numbers put JJ to shame...and that's not JJ's fault...
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:10 pm to Deathvalley71
I agree Dan.
Look JJ and for that matter JL, were going to struggle. They were thrown to the wolves. As with any young player, they will have their ups and downs.
The OL is struggling with a new C and G. Again that happens.
But, at the end of the day with the offensive weapons that this team has, it is unbelievable to me. Pesonally, I've always thought that Crowton was calling majority of the plays. If Les were calling the plays against Fla we would have run ALOT more. I just see very little cohesion to the playcalling. I really, truly believe Crowton outthinks himself. He gets away with it at times because of the talent. But, right now he's not.
We shall see how this plays out. But, I believe the next few weeks will determine Crowtons place at LSU. We continue to struggle, Les will be forced to do what he did to the D last year.
Look JJ and for that matter JL, were going to struggle. They were thrown to the wolves. As with any young player, they will have their ups and downs.
The OL is struggling with a new C and G. Again that happens.
But, at the end of the day with the offensive weapons that this team has, it is unbelievable to me. Pesonally, I've always thought that Crowton was calling majority of the plays. If Les were calling the plays against Fla we would have run ALOT more. I just see very little cohesion to the playcalling. I really, truly believe Crowton outthinks himself. He gets away with it at times because of the talent. But, right now he's not.
We shall see how this plays out. But, I believe the next few weeks will determine Crowtons place at LSU. We continue to struggle, Les will be forced to do what he did to the D last year.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:14 pm to OBUDan
Great post Dan.
I would like to see the local media turn up the heat.
I would like to see the local media turn up the heat.
This post was edited on 10/12/09 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:14 pm to OBUDan
quote:no, this year's problem is totally different and i don't know how much crowton is responsible for it. probably not much.
we're now in year 2 of this "situation" and we still seem completely mystified by it.
quote:repeat after me: THE WEAKNESS IS NOT AT QB. not at this point. we have a much bigger problem
The fact is, Crowton has done nothing to gameplan despite a weakness at QB.
quote:did you watch the georgia game? how about the two drives at the end making very good plays under pressure. he has definitely not gotten worse
JJ has gotten worse as the year has progressed
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:18 pm to bfniii
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i did and the conclusion was bogus
Not a stats guy?
quote:
again, it's too early to tell.
LSU is currently ranked 89th in scoring offense (23.00).
Last year LSU ranked 30th overall (30.9).
His first season we ranked 12th overall (38.6).
At this rate we are dropping about 8 points a year.
Next year we should nestle in around 15.0 ppg.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:22 pm to bfniii
quote:
no, this year's problem is totally different and i don't know how much crowton is responsible for it. probably not much.
how is it different? i can give him a slight break last year because okay, we were counting on RP and now we have to prepare lee in a matter of 2 or 3 months to start in the sec etc.
This season, we come off a successful bowl win where the offense looks good and JJ entrenched as the starter and we have all offseason to prepare him to play.
Does that mean he doesn't make rookie mistakes? No. But does it mean he struggles to complete forward passes... I don't think so.
quote:
repeat after me: THE WEAKNESS IS NOT AT QB. not at this point. we have a much bigger problem
If the weakness is not at QB, why do you keep taking the argument back to that? What's the problem then?
quote:
did you watch the georgia game? how about the two drives at the end making very good plays under pressure. he has definitely not gotten worse
Yeah, I watched it. So where was he the rest of the game?
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:25 pm to bfniii
quote:
no, this year's problem is totally different and i don't know how much crowton is responsible for it. probably not much.
Of course. It's the players fault. They did the same thing to him at Oregon, Chicago, BYU and La Tech. He has no responsibility for his continual decline at every place he's been.
Talk about blinders.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:25 pm to OBUDan
One quick comment on the Ga game with regards to JJ.
On that huge run late in the game, one thing that was missed is that JJ did what he's done far too often. He waited and hesitated, but then took off. The Ga DLmen who was chasing, JUST missed sacking him from behind.
Now, JJ made a great run. But, his indecisiveness almost cost him. But, he's GREEN. The kid has talent and can be a good QB. But, he's not ready and wasn't ready last year.
The same way JL wasn't ready last year and may still not be ready.
On that huge run late in the game, one thing that was missed is that JJ did what he's done far too often. He waited and hesitated, but then took off. The Ga DLmen who was chasing, JUST missed sacking him from behind.
Now, JJ made a great run. But, his indecisiveness almost cost him. But, he's GREEN. The kid has talent and can be a good QB. But, he's not ready and wasn't ready last year.
The same way JL wasn't ready last year and may still not be ready.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:27 pm to OBUDan
Gotta agree with this rant too. Wholeheartedly! Let's get freakn 5 guys on the line that can block. Let's not be so predictable with Scott off tackle every other play. Chunk the freakn option from the playbook. Get Shep in there. There is no excuse for having all the talent that LSU has and only able to muster 3 points against UF. And Vandy sucks. UGA sucks. MSU sucks. Offense had best get a little innovative and make some changes before we have another team meltdown. Crowton's formula has become stale.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:28 pm to OBUDan
Last three games LSU's Offense has mustered 13.3 pts a game. And for anyone confused, LSU offense only managed 17 pts. against the "vaunted" MSU defense (rest came from a pix-6 and punt return) and 20 to the fabulous GA defense - who of course, was just toasted by a weak TN offense.
I'm not really sure how anyone can defend 109th ranked overall ranked offense? Minus a few characters outside Crowton's circle, I can't imagine anyone happy with this guy's performance.
I'm not really sure how anyone can defend 109th ranked overall ranked offense? Minus a few characters outside Crowton's circle, I can't imagine anyone happy with this guy's performance.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:32 pm to bfniii
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this thread is a perfect example of the level of absurdity the rant has now sunk to. it is entirely too early in the season and in crowton's tenure at lsu to proclaim that he is a "problem". the guy has put up very respectable numbers throughout his career as a coordinator, including at lsu.
The guy makes perfectly valid points in a reasonable way, backs it up with statistical proof, and you call it absurdity. You can disagree with his opinion (though, in fairness, to do so you have to ignore the offensive product on the field), but to act like it isn't a legitimate take on an OBVIOUS problem is in itself absurd. People are actually trying to figure out why a team loaded with playmakers is such a disaster offensively. To not at least wonder if its the offensive coordinator is idiotic. If you aren't interested in legitimate give and take, go away.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:34 pm to OBUDan
Nice post, Dan. I agree with basically all of your points except I think that McCarthy should stay. He is an excellent recruiter, and we can't really blame the receivers for the current struggles, even if they have dropped a couple of passes here and there. I also like Joe Robinson as a special teams coach and would rather see Yanowsky go if we decide to hire a QB coach.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:40 pm to ROUSTER
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Now, JJ made a great run. But, his indecisiveness almost cost him. But, he's GREEN. The kid has talent and can be a good QB. But, he's not ready and wasn't ready last year.
The same way JL wasn't ready last year and may still not be ready.
Exactly. I haven't seen anything from JJ to indicate to me that he's not a good player. What I've seen is that he's not been well coached.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:42 pm to Keys Open Doors
quote:
Nice post, Dan. I agree with basically all of your points except I think that McCarthy should stay. He is an excellent recruiter, and we can't really blame the receivers for the current struggles, even if they have dropped a couple of passes here and there. I also like Joe Robinson as a special teams coach and would rather see Yanowsky go if we decide to hire a QB coach.
Can't disagree with any of this.
My reasoning for McCarthy is due to the fact that he didn't receive the raises even though every other offensive assistant did.
Regardless, I have no major issue with him. Our receivers seem to be fine.
Yanowsky I'm indifferent to. Dickson seems as good as ever honestly... the fact that he's not getting the ball is not his fault.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:45 pm to Linkovich
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I use to have this opinion. I had the opportunity to talk to a couple of x but recent players. They all said majority of the calls were all crowton. Miles only interjected if he told crowton that he wanted some clock management to rest the D or tell him he was in four down territory...or something to that nature. They were adamant that crowton had full reign. I was completely bummed after I heard that.
Good post. Although I think SFP and Max and others have some great insights, their insistence on blaming it on "Les ball" I think is far off base.
I've seen nothing to conclude that Les has a big enough hand in offensive game planning that it causes us to struggle. If that was the case then our offense would have never been good under Les and that is simply not the case.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:48 pm to OBUDan
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OBUDan
Thanks for the best post I've read all day.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:49 pm to OBUDan
bullshite. I just watched the entire game again on the geauxzone. Jefferson has absolutely No pocket presence. Florida was rushing 3 in the 2nd half and he was taking off ariund the end straight into the defensive end. That is not the coach
Posted on 10/12/09 at 4:53 pm to biglego
I'm still stupefied that LSU has a TE coach but not a QB coach.
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