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re: Crowton is the issue
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:18 am to OBUDan
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:18 am to OBUDan
Questions- Were you upset w the DC's last year? Were you upset that Miles never questioned their calls/scheme?
Crowton is struggling, but, BUT, why the hell is Miles and Crowton not on the same page? Why doesn't Miles force Crowton to put RS in the game? Why doesn't he put a stop to what h doesn't like about our offense? He does call plays from time to time. He is involved. We've only had since Jan-Feb to get this unit to gel.
I don't know...the overconfidence in our O-line that Miles had shows he really doesn't know what the hell is going on. That's only on him.
Crowton is struggling, but, BUT, why the hell is Miles and Crowton not on the same page? Why doesn't Miles force Crowton to put RS in the game? Why doesn't he put a stop to what h doesn't like about our offense? He does call plays from time to time. He is involved. We've only had since Jan-Feb to get this unit to gel.
I don't know...the overconfidence in our O-line that Miles had shows he really doesn't know what the hell is going on. That's only on him.
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Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:19 am to bfniii
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you mean including a stint as head coach? how is that relevant?
because he was head coach/offensive coordinator...
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:20 am to bfniii
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last year's problem was qb. this year's problem is o line.
okay, the problem is o-line. so why not scheme around the problem? the steelers did it all the way to the super bowl last year...
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:22 am to DP40
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Questions- Were you upset w the DC's last year? Were you upset that Miles never questioned their calls/scheme?
yes.
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I don't know...the overconfidence in our O-line that Miles had shows he really doesn't know what the hell is going on. That's only on him.
OU did/said the exact same thing we did this year with their o-line. Their OC came out and said, "This group looks like it could be the best I've ever had..." yatta yatta.
I think coaches use shite like that as motivation sometimes when they know they have a weakness.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:26 am to Tiger Khan
quote:i don't know if you've watched much football lately but many successful offenses do this now
waiting for Crow-ton to "read" the defense then make a call. Get in the huddle, call your play, and RUN IT
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:28 am to OBUDan
I'll say this...Miles and Crowton do not appear to be on the same page. (I've said that alot today, sorry).
That is inexcusable, and it seems like it's the Miles/Fisher feud all over again.
If, IF there is disagreement on the direction of the offense again, then we have a bigger problem...MILES.
I guess I have a hard time seeing a couple of record-setting seasons by this O under Crowton all of the sudden become terrible ONLY because of Crowton.
That is inexcusable, and it seems like it's the Miles/Fisher feud all over again.
If, IF there is disagreement on the direction of the offense again, then we have a bigger problem...MILES.
I guess I have a hard time seeing a couple of record-setting seasons by this O under Crowton all of the sudden become terrible ONLY because of Crowton.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:37 am to bfniii
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i don't know if you've watched much football lately but many successful offenses do this now
Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I know our offense blows right now, but to say that the no-huddle then check the sidelines pre-play tactic doesn't work is just asinine. Florida and OU both do it and it worked pretty damn well for both of them last season and is working just find for Florida this year.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:44 am to okietiger
My guess is despite the conspiracy theorists that claim that Miles is heavily embedded in calling plays that the last thing Miles wanted to do was to start questioning Crowton's calls. little Nicky is the type to micromanage...Miles has never remotely proven to be that type of coach which I applaud him for that. The CEO of a company shouldn't go around checking for burnt out light bulbs. However, once things get to a point, he will do something. He has 0 resume as a defensive coach, so last year, he had to wait until the end of the season and then essentially fired the entire defensive staff (Lane, Mallory, Peveto). This year with his offensive background my guess is he will become more involved in the playcalling, which is not a good sign for Crowton's future. Crowton has done nothing to try to cover the weaknesses of the offense and Miles has noticed that I assure you.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:48 am to bfniii
"i don't know if you've watched much football lately but many successful offenses do this now"
I don't know if you've been watching LSU lately, but clearly this does NOT work for them!
Obviously LSU is incapable of running this type of offense under the current circumstances. Unless you disagree and are happy with 109th ranked offense?
LSU crushed V-tech and MSU in 07 running a basic, I-Formation Offense. Crow-ton simply can't manage this offense with his no-huddle scheme.
Let me make this simple:
No one is saying "no-huddle" schemes don't work - what IS being said IS LSU can't RUN IT under the current offensive coordinator's scheme.
I don't know if you've been watching LSU lately, but clearly this does NOT work for them!
Obviously LSU is incapable of running this type of offense under the current circumstances. Unless you disagree and are happy with 109th ranked offense?
LSU crushed V-tech and MSU in 07 running a basic, I-Formation Offense. Crow-ton simply can't manage this offense with his no-huddle scheme.
Let me make this simple:
No one is saying "no-huddle" schemes don't work - what IS being said IS LSU can't RUN IT under the current offensive coordinator's scheme.
This post was edited on 10/13/09 at 10:51 am
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:48 am to Tomm
Yeah it's been discussed in a previous thread. This almost exact situation occurred following the Florida loss in '06. Miles took over much of the offensive playcalling from Jimbo and Jimbo of course left in the offseason.
Several posters have said that the players repeatedly say that Crowton calls the offensive shots. And if you take a long look at Crowton's track record, he is right on que with what he's done his entire career.
I firmly didn't believe that Crowton was the issue as recently as a few days ago. But his track record points DIRECTLY to what he's doing right now.
Several posters have said that the players repeatedly say that Crowton calls the offensive shots. And if you take a long look at Crowton's track record, he is right on que with what he's done his entire career.
I firmly didn't believe that Crowton was the issue as recently as a few days ago. But his track record points DIRECTLY to what he's doing right now.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:51 am to OBUDan
quote:you just illuminated the point i am making. big difference between just being a coordinator
because he was head coach/offensive coordinator
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:52 am to OBUDan
quote:repeat after me: the season isn't over, the season isn't over
why not scheme around the problem?
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:54 am to okietiger
IMO, there are at least two main issues on offense with the QB position being a more minor one, hard to evaluate completely unless you fix the first two 1) OL / Coach Studrawa coaching of it -- absolute F (no run game, no pass protection, penalties, etc)
2) Crowton whose job is to call plays and compensate as best he can for deficiencies. I will admit he has a tough job this season but that is why they pay him the big $. Once again, how good of an OL does Boise State have year after year, yet magically they move the ball against the Oregons, the Oklahomas, etc. Navy plays competitive games and I really don't think Navy has a bunch of All-American OL. When things are broke, you try to fix them. Crowton just continues to run the same plays that failed previously
Posted on 10/13/09 at 10:54 am to bfniii
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repeat after me: the season isn't over, the season isn't over
What in Crowton's lengthy track record do you find that apparently the rest of us in this thread are missing that leads you to believe that he can and will make the needed adjustments? Please enlighten us all.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 11:06 am to okietiger
i have no idea but crowton's past is history. all of this mccarthy-ism is insane. there's no reason to make comments that can't be substantiated like crowton sucks or crowton is the problem or miles is clueless.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 11:13 am to LSUgrad88
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Crowton is the issue
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this thread is a perfect example of the level of absurdity the rant has now sunk to. it is entirely too early in the season and in crowton's tenure at lsu to proclaim that he is a "problem". the guy has put up very respectable numbers throughout his career as a coordinator, including at lsu.
The guy makes perfectly valid points in a reasonable way, backs it up with statistical proof, and you call it absurdity. You can disagree with his opinion (though, in fairness, to do so you have to ignore the offensive product on the field), but to act like it isn't a legitimate take on an OBVIOUS problem is in itself absurd. People are actually trying to figure out why a team loaded with playmakers is such a disaster offensively. To not at least wonder if its the offensive coordinator is idiotic. If you aren't interested in legitimate give and take, go away.
+1
Posted on 10/13/09 at 11:13 am to okietiger
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What in Crowton's lengthy track record do you find that apparently the rest of us in this thread are missing that leads you to believe that he can and will make the needed adjustments? Please enlighten us all.
He won't make them. He will try but it won't work. I had the pleasure (
) of watching him at Oregon before coming to LSU. I hated hearing the news that he was going to LSU. Everything we are talking about now, Oregon fans were talking about back then. He was an upgrade to Andy Ludwig but by no means really impressed after his first season, he did have young qb's to work with (after clemens went out on an injury) but his playcalling was questionable. There were many times we wondered wtf is he doing? We could have won the NC in 2007 with a different oc. He needs to be shown the door and someone with a different view on innovation needs a chance with our athletes. I could only imagine what we could do.....
Posted on 10/13/09 at 11:20 am to LSUintheNW
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I hated hearing the news that he was going to LSU.
B/c you wanted him to stay at Oregan but questioned his playcalling, or you are a more LSU fan than O.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 11:22 am to bfniii
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the guy has put up very respectable numbers throughout his career as a coordinator, including at lsu.
Gary Crowton's entire reputation as an "offensive genius" is built almost entirely upon the success of the Tim Rattay-Troy Edwards pitch-and-catch combo he had at Louisiana Tech in the late 90s.
Other than that...not so much.
This post was edited on 10/13/09 at 11:25 am
Posted on 10/13/09 at 11:23 am to Bushwackers
As a part time duck fan I wanted him gone. I hated to hear where he was headed though, because I knew what we are talking about now would come up.
This post was edited on 10/13/09 at 11:25 am
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