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Posted on 10/13/09 at 11:26 am to bfniii
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i have no idea but crowton's past is history. all of this mccarthy-ism is insane. there's no reason to make comments that can't be substantiated like crowton sucks or crowton is the problem or miles is clueless.
How is any of this unsubstantiated? We are merely comparing his lengthy history to the current situation. And everything lines up. As you previously admitted that you don't know about Crowton's history, maybe you need to familiarize yourself with it. Everything he is doing right now is EXACTLY what he has done at every stop in his career. There is nothing unsubstantiated about looking at someone's history and seeing what they have previously done.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 11:29 am to okietiger
+1
Posted on 10/13/09 at 11:29 am to okietiger
I just want better than 108th O in the country after playing Wash, Vandy, ULL, Moo St., UGA, and FL. Crompton had 4TD's against UGA and 300+ passing
This post was edited on 10/13/09 at 11:32 am
Posted on 10/13/09 at 11:31 am to ItNeverRains
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Crompton had 4TD's against UGA and 300+ passing
How depressing is that?!?
Posted on 10/13/09 at 11:31 am to OBUDan
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please tell me that you're aware of the hatch/lee/perriloux situation
I dont think this has anything to do with this season. They have had over a yr to make the necessaruy changes to offset this. Look at Miami, they arent near the talent on both sides the ball as us yet they have harris making plays and moving the ball down the field. 137 yrds on offense is piss poor.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 11:35 am to dgnx6
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please tell me that you're aware of the hatch/lee/perriloux situation
Yeah this really is a one year excuse. I could and did buy it last year. Not going to buy it over the course of 2 years however.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 11:36 am to dgnx6
bfniii
What is it like to walk through life making excuses for everyone? Like they say, ignorance is bliss, so you must be one happy mofo.
Keep walking, there's nothing to see here. Move on.
What is it like to walk through life making excuses for everyone? Like they say, ignorance is bliss, so you must be one happy mofo.
Keep walking, there's nothing to see here. Move on.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 11:42 am to okietiger
quote:please tell me you're kidding. how is complaining about the coordinator unsubstantiated? you can't possibly be serious.
How is any of this unsubstantiated?
are any of us on the team? do you see anyone comparing our situation to that of other teams? absolutely not to both. it's nothing but insular myopia. all the people in this thread with the "+1" crap have no perspective whatsoever. lsu is still vying for team of the decade and people want the coaches lynched. amazing
once again, every team in america complains about the play calling. so since that is constant, who wins more? right now, lsu is winning ALOT. until that changes significantly, why all the hysterical psychosis? a team does not have to win in style to achieve goals, despite what the rantards think. a coordinator only needs to be good enough in relation to the other facets of the team so that the team wins. that's happening exactly this season with the exception of the game against #1 florida.
quote:i didn't say i didn't know about his history. what i said was that i have no idea how relevant it is to our current situation.
As you previously admitted that you don't know about Crowton's history, maybe you need to familiarize yourself with it.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 11:44 am to okietiger
what i was saying about the qb situation last year was that there were extenuating circumstances as to why the numbers dipped last year. i've said i have no idea what's going on with the o line this year but there is no reason for the chicken little panic because the season isn't over.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 11:45 am to okietiger
i agree with you okie, crompton is shite. This is def nothing wrong with jefferson unless he is reatrded, and he is not cus i have held a conversation with him many times. I think this is all the coaches.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 11:49 am to OBUDan
Great post and analysis. Yes, I read all five pages.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 11:54 am to bfniii
So bfniii, you don't find it just a tiny bit coincidental that EVERY single thing Oregon fans complained about while he was in Eugene and every single they warned us of once we hired him back in '07 is coming true?
Don't overgeneralize everyone saying that they dislike all playcalling on every team. We're talking specifics here. For example, how in the hell does Shep not see the ball even once in that game? That has NOTHING to do with players and EVERYTHING to do with playcalling.
Don't overgeneralize everyone saying that they dislike all playcalling on every team. We're talking specifics here. For example, how in the hell does Shep not see the ball even once in that game? That has NOTHING to do with players and EVERYTHING to do with playcalling.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 12:01 pm to okietiger
Crowton has done a fine job up until this year. The OLINE is the problem this year because they don't run or pass block. Usually an OLINE will do one well but not this OLINE. That is why we can't run the ball or pass the ball.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 12:03 pm to coolmonk
quote:what excuses have i made? not even one. i've said the o line should be better than they are. that's obvious from watching the team. this garbage about crowton sucking, jefferson sucking, miles is clueless, totally unsubstantiated. i agree that jefferson lacks pocket presence. good grief, most qb don't have it, especially those that are 19 and only have a handful of starts. it's premature to say it's a big problem right now.
What is it like to walk through life making excuses for everyone?
i'm sad for lsu fans. they can't even enjoy football anymore. we can't just win. we have to win big. lsu is still in the running for team of the decade for crying out loud but you would think lsu has had 4 losing seasons in a row from reading this board.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 12:04 pm to Teacher
Keep telling yourself that. OU and UO had to almost replace their entire line and they have both done better than us. O-line wasnt supposed to be a weakness coming in. I have watched Crowton for the last 5 years now. It isn't a question in my mind where some of the blame goes, the sooner we change OC you will see it.
Didn't Bama have to replace most of their line as well?
Didn't Bama have to replace most of their line as well?
This post was edited on 10/13/09 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 10/13/09 at 12:07 pm to okietiger
quote:in '01 and '02, ohio st fans wanted jim bollman drawn and quartered. how did '02 work out for them? last time i checked, they had a case for team of the decade. guess who is still the coordinator there? you're just not catching on to the whole idea of every team complains about the playcalling.
you don't find it just a tiny bit coincidental that EVERY single thing Oregon fans complained about while he was in Eugene and every single they warned us of once we hired him back in '07 is coming true?
quote:1. he's a true freshman
how in the hell does Shep not see the ball even once in that game?
2. what difference would it make when the o line is sucking? this isn't rocket science.
quote:wow
That has NOTHING to do with players and EVERYTHING to do with playcalling.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 12:10 pm to bfniii
You forgot how he flushed BYU's program down the tubes
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as a head coach, not a coordinator. big, HUGE difference
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Theres more to being an OC than fancy play scribblings written out in Crayon.
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correct. and his numbers as a coordinator have been respectable
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This isn't the first time a fan base has called for Crowtons job
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oh good grief. every fan base has a group of people constantly calling for the coach's/coordinator's job. people were opposed to nick saban before he even stepped on to campus
Wow, put down your crack pipe.
I guess you think the economy is fine as well.
You my friend are in total denial.
CHANGE is needed.
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as a head coach, not a coordinator. big, HUGE difference
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Theres more to being an OC than fancy play scribblings written out in Crayon.
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correct. and his numbers as a coordinator have been respectable
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This isn't the first time a fan base has called for Crowtons job
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oh good grief. every fan base has a group of people constantly calling for the coach's/coordinator's job. people were opposed to nick saban before he even stepped on to campus
Wow, put down your crack pipe.
I guess you think the economy is fine as well.
You my friend are in total denial.
CHANGE is needed.
Posted on 10/13/09 at 12:26 pm to Tiger MemRee
Hell, Rueben Randle was as good as Jefferson coming out of high school, just check his stats. At 6'3" 210 or so why doesn't Miles/Crowton figure out how to use HIM in the wild tiger!?!
Posted on 10/13/09 at 2:57 pm to bfniii
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are any of us on the team? do you see anyone comparing our situation to that of other teams? absolutely not to both.
How is this relevant to anything?
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lsu is still vying for team of the decade and people want the coaches lynched. amazing
We were vying for it until we went 8-5. If we head a similar direction this year we will be completely out of it...
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once again, every team in america complains about the play calling.
and? so what?
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so since that is constant, who wins more? right now, lsu is winning ALOT. until that changes significantly, why all the hysterical psychosis?
no, they were winning a lot.
there was nothing hysterical or psychotic about my original post. it was a fairly well reasoned argument.
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a team does not have to win in style to achieve goals, despite what the rantards think. a coordinator only needs to be good enough in relation to the other facets of the team so that the team wins.
i agree with you here totally. i have issue with people who think we should be 12-0 every year and win every game by 60 and never make mistakes. it's unrealistic mania.
but here's the rub: we're 109th in total offense. if we were even 50th, i wouldn't have made this post. but halfway through the season one of the most prolific programs in college football who recruits some of the top flight high school athletes in the country can't muster a better offense than new mexico or kent st. or boston college or clemson?
people you act like all the complaining is completely unmerited. but it's hard to justify a coordinator's success when the results have worsened from year to year (for the 3rd time in his career) and have now reached sub zero levels.
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that's happening exactly this season with the exception of the game against #1 florida.
good, well coached teams don't win games inspite of their flaws, they win them despite their flaws. look, i'm a well reasoned fan... i typically don't jump off bridges from game to game or even season to season. i sat by quietly through the first 5 games watching our offense be anemic against the powerhouse d's of ull (92nd ranked d) and washington (106th ranked d)... we scored only 31 in each of those games. We totaled 330 yards of offense as ULL.
To put that in perspective - most every fan on this board has universally applauded our D for how awesome the played against Florida. UF racked up 327 yards of offense against us. The 92nd ranked D kept us to a total of 3 more yards than our "awesome defensive performance" against Florida.
Look, if we hung 60 on ULL and Vandy like we should, I'd have less issues (or at least different ones), but the fact is, we're struggling to move the ball against the meekest of opponents. The Florida game is only a small part of the larger picture here... we're not moving the ball up the field.
And you can keep blaming the offensive line all you want, but midway through the season (honestly, much earlier) a good coordinator should understand what he has and doesn't have. Crowton should be well aware that our line can't be world beaters this year.
So why not change up the playcalling and schemes slightly to things that make it easier on them to block? Why not roll Jefferson out of the pocket and give him some safe, easy completions? Where are screens, slants, short outs, dig routes... easy, easy stuff to complete. Instead, we're 7 step dropping and hanging the young QB and the OL out to dry....
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