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re: CPM update on M. Hillard

Posted on 1/11/19 at 1:43 pm to
Posted by oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
Louisiana
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Posted on 1/11/19 at 1:43 pm to
quote:

1. How many teams only have 1 LHP?

2. You don’t have to be a dominant LHP to get lefties out


1. How many teams have more than one really good left handed pitcher?

2. You can also be a dominant right and get lefties out. We have that.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64684 posts
Posted on 1/11/19 at 1:45 pm to
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I don't think that 90% of college LHPs are good enough with their control to truly give a platoon advantage.


Eh, well we're competing against that 10% for championships.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64684 posts
Posted on 1/11/19 at 1:47 pm to
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1. How many teams have more than one really good left handed pitcher?


The majority of the better teams in college baseball. Vandy, for instance, has 7 on their roster
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 1/11/19 at 1:48 pm to
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1. How many teams have more than one really good left handed pitcher?
You wanna bet that the teams that have more than one are really good teams?
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2. You can also be a dominant right and get lefties out. We have that.
Good lefties get more lefty outs than good righties. It's just noting a lack of flexibility we have.
Posted by oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2006
26411 posts
Posted on 1/11/19 at 1:48 pm to
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The majority of the better teams in college baseball. Vandy, for instance, has 7 on their roster


Well, I guess we can revisit this if Vandy makes it further this season than LSU behind the arms of those 7 left handers then.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 1/11/19 at 1:50 pm to
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I guess we can revisit this if Vandy makes it further this season than LSU
Why? Who has said it's the only factor for a good team?
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
70335 posts
Posted on 1/11/19 at 1:51 pm to
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Eh, well we're competing against that 10% for championships.


It's really 50/50 on that. Duke, UConn, Stetson, Mizzou, those are some of the schools with some of the top draft eligible lefties.

Kentucky, Arkansas, TCU, Louisville, and A&M also have very highly rated lefties.
Posted by oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 1/11/19 at 1:51 pm to
I just said, you can't overstate the value of having solid left handers. I get that. I just don't see it being a major problem for this pitching staff at all.

All this is doing is letting rantards soak up this info to use to complain about CPM as soon as LSU loses a baseball game.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64684 posts
Posted on 1/11/19 at 1:53 pm to
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I just don't see it being a major problem for this pitching staff at all.

I don't think anyone has said it's a "major" problem. Just that it's an issue. As stated previously, there is no "perfect team" out there. Talking about different deficiencies we may have at certain spots doesn't mean that we're screwed or that Mainieri sucks.
Posted by oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2006
26411 posts
Posted on 1/11/19 at 1:54 pm to
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Why? Who has said it's the only factor for a good team?


Well it's all conjecture at this point. We will see at the end of the season if not having left handed pitching is the krypotine to this LSU staff.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85043 posts
Posted on 1/11/19 at 1:54 pm to
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All this is doing is letting rantards soak up this info to use to complain about CPM as soon as LSU loses a baseball game.
Rantards aren't posting in this thread and this has nothing to do with the discussion.

There's only one positive to having few lefties on the team: PM won't overthink matchups.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 1/11/19 at 2:03 pm to
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I don't think that 90% of college LHPs are good enough with their control to truly give a platoon advantage.




this is an insane take for someone who follows baseball like you do

you do not need to be some insanely talented LHP to be more affective vs left handed hitters than most RHPs
This post was edited on 1/11/19 at 2:04 pm
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
70335 posts
Posted on 1/11/19 at 2:03 pm to
I did say last year, when we only had one effective lefty on the roster that I wished we had gotten this kid from LSUE: Ridge Heisler

I was high on Petersen coming into last season, but I think Heisler would have been a more valuable pick up than Nowak was. I have no idea on the details of their recruitments though, so we may have never looked at him.

There are a couple lefties at Santa Fe in Florida that I hope we look at but I doubt we will. One is a bounceback from Ole Miss and the other from Virginia.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278448 posts
Posted on 1/11/19 at 2:12 pm to
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Yall are putting way too much emphasis on lefty lefty match ups.

This shite is not that big of a deal


In the MLB in 2018:

LH vs LHP avg: 234/305/363

RH vs LHP avg: 251/330/423


The average MLB hitter hits .248/318/409 for reference.

So RH hitters actually hit LHP above league average.


That is a huge difference in numbers.
This post was edited on 1/11/19 at 2:14 pm
Posted by 225Tyga
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 1/11/19 at 2:17 pm to
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Lester Earl


Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278448 posts
Posted on 1/11/19 at 2:21 pm to
the numbers are batting average/ on base % / slg %

easily found. Facts are not "conjecture"
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
70335 posts
Posted on 1/11/19 at 2:24 pm to
James Moran wrote an update on the pitchers for Tiger Rag: LINK
Posted by Yeti_Chaser
Member since Nov 2017
7472 posts
Posted on 1/11/19 at 2:44 pm to
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Would you rather have Hess, Marceaux, and Walker all weekend or somebody that's average just because he's left handed?


So I guess I opened up this can of worms by mentioning the lack of lefties, but I never meant to imply that I would trade any of them for an average lefty. Would I trade a guy like Clay Moffit or even Vietmeier? Sure, but I dont know how the scholarship numbers worked out. I think you're reaching here. We're just discussing the one deficiency on the roster in a healthy way. No one is calling for CPM to be fired because of it. But I'm 100% certain that at some point this season we will get in a jam with runners in scoring position with a big hitter up who cant hit lefties and unless McMurray is that guy then we will have to rely on one of our RHP to get that out. I'm sure we have RHP with the ability to do that, but as a coach you would like to have the option to play the matchup
Posted by Adam4848
LA
Member since Apr 2006
18965 posts
Posted on 1/11/19 at 3:30 pm to
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There's only one positive to having few lefties on the team: PM won't overthink matchups.


Posted by Howyouluhdat
On Fleek St
Member since Jan 2015
7347 posts
Posted on 1/11/19 at 3:50 pm to
quote:

You don’t have to be a dominant LHP to get lefties out



You don't have to be a dominant righty to get lefties out either
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