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re: Could this have blown up in Woodwards face any more
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:13 am to Smokin Joe Dumas
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:13 am to Smokin Joe Dumas
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I’m not simping for Wade, but let’s not pretend that he doesn’t have EVERYTHING to do with McNeese’s tournament and that it was and is a magnificent job as a coach.
He’s a great coach and he has done a great job.
But again, he’s playing down.
He is so far beyond a Southland level coach in every aspect. He literally is only there because no P5 job would touch him for 3 years.
And remember, we didn’t fire him because he was bad.
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Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:18 am to GetmorewithLes
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At the time WW was fired LSU was in deep shite in the entire athletic dept and did not choose for WW to be the hill to die on at the time
Most people who are Pro-Pear say that they should have told the NCAA to go frick themselves. I don’t know if that would have worked or not.
But, I wonder what would have happened if they had stretched the process out until after NIL started. Not that Woodward would have, but he had more options than just outright firing him.
It happened anyway and backfired is my problem. And he’s trying to fix a gaping heart attack with a bandage.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:23 am to Fun Bunch
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LSU spent among the least in the SEC on MBB NIL from what I understand.
Got a link with actual numbers and not hearsay?
Of course you dont, because those numbers aren’t public.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:26 am to TigerBait2008
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He's not a great coach.. recruiter yeah..
laughable and ridiculous. Conference champs at both schools. What he did at LSU and McNeese says otherwise.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:35 am to LSUtiger89
I so hope Wade upsets some teams in the tournament
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:37 am to Smokin Joe Dumas
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For any that CMM doesn’t want to leave, he has to be willing and able to sell it to them. He can’t seem to do that and that’s a big deficiency in his ability to coach
100%
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:38 am to misey94
I agree with this wholeheartedly!
Just for the sake of argument, even if he is a good coach (I don’t think he is), he’s missing too many qualities he needs in this current time at ANY high level. Even with the NIL the top 3 teams in the nation have at their disposal, I don’t think he could succeed with what I’ve seen.
I hoped and believed that he might take a step forward this season, but I no longer have any confidence. That’s where salesmanship comes in and I’m not sure he’ll be able to sell that with the recruits he might want even with the NIL resources they are supposedly giving him.
He’ll end up overpaying for scraps because any sought after transfers will be getting paid no matter what. So, all things $ being close, between a winner that wants and needs you with more proven recent success and one that wants you without success in either winning or development where do you think that transfer will go?
I don’t think he would even succeed at a place like McNeese. That’s how little confidence I now have in his abilities.
Just for the sake of argument, even if he is a good coach (I don’t think he is), he’s missing too many qualities he needs in this current time at ANY high level. Even with the NIL the top 3 teams in the nation have at their disposal, I don’t think he could succeed with what I’ve seen.
I hoped and believed that he might take a step forward this season, but I no longer have any confidence. That’s where salesmanship comes in and I’m not sure he’ll be able to sell that with the recruits he might want even with the NIL resources they are supposedly giving him.
He’ll end up overpaying for scraps because any sought after transfers will be getting paid no matter what. So, all things $ being close, between a winner that wants and needs you with more proven recent success and one that wants you without success in either winning or development where do you think that transfer will go?
I don’t think he would even succeed at a place like McNeese. That’s how little confidence I now have in his abilities.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:50 am to misey94
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It’s not the issue, but you also have to think bigger picture. LSU needs to prove it will spend on hoops to land a better coach when McMahon is inevitably fired. It’s going to be a lot easier if they make that money push starting now rather than waiting. Proof is a lot more effective in a negotiation than talk.
My only problem with that is it hasn’t been proven, unless you just take the word of the administration, that LSU hasn’t been spending the money needed to be successful. And increasing it this year is just pissing money away and possibly alienating your boosters that put up their money for another subpar product
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:54 am to Smokin Joe Dumas
The elephant in the room is BK. If he doesn’t make playoffs next year, then both of Woody’s big hires will officially be duds. His job is on the chopping block. He might not be able to hire another pair of coaches.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:55 am to Townedrunkard
LSU sports have won multiple SEC and national championships in Woodward's time.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:02 am to Madking
I would take Will Wade back today if we could. But compare McNeese's NIL to the rest of the Southland. This isn't rocket science. It's money.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:04 am to SammyTiger
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He is so far beyond a Southland level coach in every aspect. He literally is only there because no P5 job would touch him for 3 years.
Not that I disagree with your first point here but as I stated in a previous post. McNeese is outspending the rest of the Southland by alot. Wade is a great coach but he has much better players than any other team in that league.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:17 am to Townedrunkard
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Embarrassing state of affairs.
Embarrassing State U
Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:18 am to nwallb9
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The elephant in the room is BK. If he doesn’t make playoffs next year, then both of Woody’s big hires will officially be duds. His job is on the chopping block. He might not be able to hire another pair of coaches.
In my estimation, just another reason to cut bait with CMM. Another season of this after ringing yet more money from the boosters, coupled with less than desirable results from both football and basketball would put a nail in his coffin.
He could change the narrative by getting rid of McMahon, getting a big swing coach that would inject hope and life into the team, prospects, fans, and boosters, and leaving that extra NIL for the next coach.
Everyone was saying that he couldn’t get a good, proven coach because the program was toxic at the time. Well, it shouldn’t be now. Therefore, no excuses
Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:34 am to TigerBait2008
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He's not a great coach.. recruiter yeah..
lol. I love when people say this stupid shite. Yeah he won 105 games in 3 years just because he paid a few guys. In the fricking SEC. So easy anyone can do it. I guess that means we have an actual retarded person as our head coach? Why can’t he do it?
Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:41 am to TigerBait2008
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He's not a great coach.. recruiter yeah..
The same can be said for John Wooden, Dean Smith, Coach K, etc.
K was on the Brink of being fired at Duke, and then he signed Johnny Dawkins. Then he became a great recruiter, Coach, and the Darling of ESPN.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:41 am to NussBusDriver
That’s fair but they just invested in NIL this season. Last years team didn’t have much spent on it and that team had the better record.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:46 am to SammyTiger
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what’s the realistic gap between any of those teams?
McNeese lost to Ms State by 3 points, Alabama by 8. How did LSU fare vs those teams.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:47 am to Madking
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That’s fair but they just invested in NIL this season. Last years team didn’t have much spent on it and that team had the better record.
Wade being an excellent coached paired with better players than the rest of the league ensured the dominance they've had. I'd love to have Wade back but don't see us ever pulling the trigger considering how Wade's exit occurred. Refusing to talk to your boss will get you fired almost anywhere.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:52 am to Gus007
Wade has won at Chattanooga, VCU, LSU and Mcneese. He’s never had a losing season and has made it to the NCAA tourney 8 times in 11 seasons including 4 times at small schools. Anyone saying he isn’t a very good coach is factually wrong. McMahon isn’t going to win at LSU regardless of imaginary NIL or not. He runs the exact same offense and plays the exact same style of game his coach and mentor failed with at Tennessee from 01 to 05 so we’ve seen this tried and failed in a weaker version of the SEC already.
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