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re: Could this have blown up in Woodwards face any more
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:39 am to tigahlovah
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:39 am to tigahlovah
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Then why didn't they ever do that for any of the oh..... last 4764636363367 years until Wade got there???????????????
because they never hired a coach as good as Wade.
Coaches like wade don’t coach in the southland conference.
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Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:39 am to tigahlovah
Sammy’s argument in its simplest form is
- “unprecedented achievements are easy to accomplish and even when people don’t achieve them it’s the same thing as when others do.”
- “unprecedented achievements are easy to accomplish and even when people don’t achieve them it’s the same thing as when others do.”
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:40 am to SammyTiger
If you have to alter your argument it just means your argument has failed.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:42 am to Madking
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unprecedented achievements are easy to accomplish and even when people don’t achieve them it’s the same thing as when others do.”
It’s unprecedented for a successful P5 coach to go straight from winning in a difficult conference to coaching a Southland team
And like I said, someone did something pretty similar literally the 2 seasons before.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:44 am to Madking
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If you have to alter your argument it just means your argument has failed.
I have not altered my argument
you tried to.
I dont get why the argument that Wade is a significantly better coach than anyone else in that conference and it’s not surprising he now has a better team.
I just don’t think that’s a good conference and historically it is not.
This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 9:46 am
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:49 am to SammyTiger
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Seems like having a guy with the ability to coach P5 goes a long way, and it always does in every sport.
Of course it does. But what is impressive about the turnaround at McNeese is that they hadn’t been to the NCAA tournament in 22 years prior to Wade. They also haven’t been to the NIT since 2011. So, they had at least 12 years of little to no success.
In their entire history, up until last year,they had only been to the NCAA tournament twice. Since Wade arrived there, they have been to the tournament . . . Twice!
Under him, they have lost (over two years), 2 conference games, lost only 8 regular season games, and won both the regular season and the conference tournament twice. I don’t care what conference you’re in. That’s impressive!
Before Wade: 20-21 10-14 (4-10)
21-22 11-22 (4-10)
22-23. 11-23 (6-12)
If you go back even further, it’s more of the same.
By the way, since Lutz left, Texas A&M Corpus Christi, they’ve been about the same as far as their record. He went 22-12 (7-7) in 21-22 and 24-11 (14-4) in 22-23. He was at Western Kentucky after that and went 22-12 (8-8) before moving on to Ok St.
Not comparable at all
I’m not simping for Wade, but let’s not pretend that he doesn’t have EVERYTHING to do with McNeese’s tournament and that it was and is a magnificent job as a coach.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:51 am to GreenieTiger
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I'm sure you've watched dozens and dozens of Southland Conference basketball games this season in order to back this up.
You really don’t have to. A good or better coach and a few power conference transfers will immediately win in any low major conference. Plenty of guys who were lesser coaches than Wade and were fired from power conference gigs have been instant winners at low majors. It’s a little more difficult in a mid-major gig because you will run into a handful of established, talented teams at that level, but the overall talent level at conference 15 and below tapers off pretty hard.
For reference, the Southland was 22 in the NET this season. That’s the high end for a low major league (that rating is due in large part to McNesse’s success. They were ranked 31 out of 32 conferences in 2022), but it’s still easy for a program with an infusion like McNesse got to make a big move in the standings.
None of this takes anything away from Wade. He had to assemble a team of new recruits and transfers together and build them into a team. That doesn’t always work out. And he’s built them into a mid-major quality team as a low major program. If you put them in the American this year, they are easily the 2nd to 4th best team. And that’s why he’s about to get a power conference job again.
This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 10:00 am
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:54 am to Madking
The anti Waders are practically standing on a wet piece of deteriorating cardboard and trying to surf against a wall of facts and common sense.
Their efforts are impressive.
Their efforts are impressive.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:55 am to Tiger Ugly
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I think Scott thought that contrived as it was, it would give CMM a boost to finish the year strong and it went the other way - we finished the season about as poorly as I've seen. It was awful and seemingly not only on the court but off as well from reading the tea leaves.
We don’t know what Woodward thought about the impact of the NIL statements on the team. But in reality, they probably get a lot of the current players thinking their positions in this program aren’t safe. And let’s be honest- they aren’t. A real NIL infusion means a housecleaning with only 1-4 of the current players still on the roster next year.
That’s not exactly the way to inspire a team to finish strong down the stretch.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:59 am to Townedrunkard
Last season after making the NIT, it was said if McMahon doesn’t get LSU to the tourney he’s gone.
LSU has a horrendous season, doesn’t make the tourney, and he’s still employed.
What’s the bar here? How bad does LSU basketball have to be to get rid of this guy? 0 wins instead of 3 in the SEC? 14 out of 16 teams made the tournament.
LSU has a horrendous season, doesn’t make the tourney, and he’s still employed.
What’s the bar here? How bad does LSU basketball have to be to get rid of this guy? 0 wins instead of 3 in the SEC? 14 out of 16 teams made the tournament.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:00 am to monsterballads
quote:There’s always next season.
0 wins instead of 3 in the SEC?
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:01 am to Townedrunkard
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Could this have blown up in Woodwards face any more
Cant live in a vacuum dude. At the time WW was fired LSU was in deep shite in the entire athletic dept and did not choose for WW to be the hill to die on at the time. Fast forward to today and every other sport at LSU is thriving.
No question McMahon has been/is a failure. Time to rebuild it but separating from WW had to be done AT that time
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:02 am to misey94
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Plenty of guys who were lesser coaches than Wade and were fired from power conference gigs have been instant winners at low majors
So, you’re saying that they had more or the same resources at their disposal than LSU?
Because LSU is paying for the same caliber player (mid majors) that you say McNeese is paying for. It’s a different age than it was just around the time LSU fired Wade.
In today’s world, you need not only a good coach and recruiter. You also need a great salesman and you have to deliver! That’s Wade’s most valuable assets and makes him even more valuable in today’s NIL landscape.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:04 am to Madking
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I think you’ve got some faulty info bub
Nope
LSU spent among the least in the SEC on MBB NIL from what I understand.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:05 am to SammyTiger
Wow
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:06 am to Fun Bunch
What do you think we spent and what do you think others spent?
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:07 am to Smokin Joe Dumas
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In today’s world, you need not only a good coach and recruiter. You also need a great salesman and you have to deliver! That’s Wade’s most valuable assets and makes him even more valuable in today’s NIL landscape.
I don’t disagree at all. You have to get the right players to come to you, and that’s a lot more difficult at a low major program like McNeese.
A big piece of the puzzle is identifying talent, and McMahon hasn’t been able to make the jump from mid-major to power conference mindset there. He just doesn’t know how to build a team at this level, so the problem with him goes beyond just amount of money and salesmanship.
I don’t think Penny Hardaway is that good of a coach (especially on offense) and is heavily dependent on his staff, but he’s sold the hell out of Memphis in the portal the last three years and they are the best non-power conference team in basketball this season. So the salesman skill does go a long way.
This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 10:09 am
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:07 am to misey94
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they probably get a lot of the current players thinking their positions in this program aren’t safe
For any that CMM doesn’t want to leave, he has to be willing and able to sell it to them. He can’t seem to do that and that’s a big deficiency in his ability to coach
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:07 am to Townedrunkard
The more I read here, the more that I understand that the average poster cant fathom NCAA sanctions and how to get around them.
I'm no Woody apologist, but both FB and MBB were under the spotlight and could've been dealt significant blows. We hired two very stable coaches and gave them long contracts to show the NCAA that we were ready to get it right. Simple as that.
It sucks, but you can thank Wade and Ed O for getting us in this situation.
I'm no Woody apologist, but both FB and MBB were under the spotlight and could've been dealt significant blows. We hired two very stable coaches and gave them long contracts to show the NCAA that we were ready to get it right. Simple as that.
It sucks, but you can thank Wade and Ed O for getting us in this situation.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:08 am to drizztiger
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There’s always next season.
Not with him in charge. I’ll fast forward until the season after he’s gone.
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