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re: continuity in the basketball program
Posted on 2/6/15 at 1:56 pm to BobBarker
Posted on 2/6/15 at 1:56 pm to BobBarker
quote:I noticed that about last year, but that means Jones has gotten worse this year.
I stand corrected. But if you notice we didn't have a single player averaging over 35 minutes a game. And he does try to give Mickey and Martin rests. Last night we played Bridgewater but he was simply outmatched. It's an awkward situation.
As for Jones trying to sub, I have to object. In the last game we played well when Bridgewater went in in the second half. Martin just got a huge dunk and yet Jones still sent Mickey to the scoring table after just a 35 second break.
I have said previously, Jones hasn't handled players with different talent levels well, and it is magnified with "his" players. IMO, he needs to get over it or he needs to go.
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Posted on 2/6/15 at 2:03 pm to S
Bring back Elleshoe. We need him to survive this melt if we miss the tourney with 2 fricking nba players on our roster.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 2:12 pm to mmcgrath
No, it has to do with having better depth last year. We could bring Jarell/Shavon, Stringer, Morgan, Tim, and Hammink off the bench. That isn't exactly Kentucky's bench, but it's 10x better then what we have now.
Bridge got abused on the glass, had a bad rotation, and took a bad under the basket shot in about a minute of play. He did not play well. I will say this, Bridge, Epps, and Elbert all know how to box out. Malone does to. Not sure why Martin and Mickey don't do it.
Bridge got abused on the glass, had a bad rotation, and took a bad under the basket shot in about a minute of play. He did not play well. I will say this, Bridge, Epps, and Elbert all know how to box out. Malone does to. Not sure why Martin and Mickey don't do it.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 2:13 pm to LSUzealot
quote:
Bring back Elleshoe
he lives, just under a different name these days
Posted on 2/6/15 at 2:16 pm to BobBarker
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That isn't exactly Kentucky's bench, but it's 10x better then what we have now.
And whose responsibility is it to replenish that bench with guys ready to go instead of projects? That 2013 class is looking more and more like fool's gold outside of Martin and Mickey. And CJJ follows up on that with a even worse class when it comes to building good depth.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 2:44 pm to c on z
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If this teams continues to play itself out of the tourney, but gets there next year with Simmons and Blakeney, he will be a Paul Hewitt 2.0 in my mind...needing lottery picks to get to the tournament. That would still look like a letdown.
Think about that for a second. Jones might need THREE McDonalds All Americans on his roster (if Martin stays) just to get above .500 in SEC play, let alone a NCAAT berth!!!! How pathetic is that.
But hey, he's won the most games in his first two years of any LSU coach in history. Let's throw a fricking parade!!! The vast majority of those wins have come against horrible OOC schedules:
OOC SOS national rank
12-13 - 326
13-14 - 248
14-15 - 275
In SEC play he has finished no better than .500 and is well on his way to equaling that mark again this year in what is yet again, a relatively weak conference
LSU hired a career .500 coach. They're getting exactly what they hired.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 2:52 pm to BobBarker
quote:Three players who could provide depth this year, Hammink, Hickey, and another forward, were run off by Jones.
No, it has to do with having better depth last year. We could bring Jarell/Shavon, Stringer, Morgan, Tim, and Hammink off the bench. That isn't exactly Kentucky's bench, but it's 10x better then what we have now.
quote:If you are going to criticize the bench for bad play, then they have to play first. The alternative isn't playing your best 5 the whole game. That won't win many games and isn't doing the team any good.
Bridge got abused on the glass, had a bad rotation, and took a bad under the basket shot in about a minute of play. He did not play well. I will say this, Bridge, Epps, and Elbert all know how to box out. Malone does to. Not sure why Martin and Mickey don't do it.
Last year at least Jones started the year subbing more players, but quickly went to a 7 man rotation. Hammink only played late in the year when someone got hurt. Even then his playing time was sporadic.
Wasn't Coleman so tired towards the end of one overtime game that he was lying down on the ground by the bench? Dude looked dead.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 3:06 pm to Boner Stabone
quote:
In SEC play he has finished no better than .500 and is well on his way to equaling that mark again this year
I think equalling that mark this year is going to be very difficult.
We're 5-4 right now at the halfway point of the SEC schedule.
Here are the SEC records of the teams we've played so far:
5 wins:
Georgia 5-4
Florida 5-4
Ole Miss 6-3
Vanderbilt 2-7
South Carolina 2-7
Total: 20-25
4 losses:
Missouri 1-8
Texas A&M 6-3
Miss. St. 4-5
Auburn 3-6
Total: 14-22
Combined total: 34-47
Here are the SEC records of the teams we have left to play:
Alabama 4-5
Kentucky 9-0
Tennessee 5-4
Texas A&M 6-3
Florida 5-4
Auburn 3-6
Ole Miss 6-3
Tennessee 5-4
Arkansas 6-3
Total: 49-32
If we can only manage to go 5-4 against teams that have combined to go 34-47, I really don't see how we can expect to go 4-5 against teams that are a combined 49-32. It might happen, but it seems unlikely. It's very hard to find four reasonably expectable wins in that list of games remaining.
This post was edited on 2/6/15 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 2/6/15 at 3:12 pm to mmcgrath
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mmcgrath
You keep banging on the depth issue. While it certainly would be nice for LSU 8-9-10 deep, it's not like teams are pulling away from a tired LSU team late in games. LSU has been in every game this season despite really only playing 7 guys.
The MUCH larger problem is that they don't do the little things or make the smart plays that help you win tough games. FT have been glaring in SEC play but that's not the whole story. Look at the A&M game. 11 point lead with 9:00 to play and LSU starts jacking up 3's early in the shot clock. Attacking the basket late in games with the lead early in the shot clock instead of running clock (see Ole Miss). Hell, last night down two late (I think) they make a nice defensive play and TQ comes flying down the court out of control and nearly loses the ball twice. The refs had to bail him out with a horrible foul call on AU. Even in their best game (UF) there were moments of just dumb play. UF was willing to let LSU run clock even though the gators were down 10 with about 2:00 to play . Instead of doing so, Quaterman is trying to make a rushed cross-court pass on a runout that lead to a quick turnover. These aren't anomalies. Yet Jones will just stand there and stare blankly while it all unfolds.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 3:12 pm to c on z
What about Quarterman? Hornsby was technically part of that class as well. Literally our 4 best players came from the 2013 class you stupid motherfricker. You do realize we're LSU right? Lousiana doesn't produce basketball players like it does football players. We're lucky to get 1 top 100 instate player every year. Would you rather go back to the days when the headliner for our class was Matt Derenbecker. That's the alternative. We're not ever gonna recruit like Kentucky or Duke. So you've got to take projects. You've got to take chances.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 3:13 pm to Nuts4LSU
Good news is we play better on the road than at home. Can you blame the team the Pmac is a fricking morgue these days.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 3:16 pm to Nuts4LSU
quote:
If we can only manage to go 5-4 against teams that have combined to go 34-47, I really don't see how we can expect to go 4-5 against teams that are a combined 49-32. It might happen, but it seems unlikely. It's very hard to find four reasonably expectable wins in that list of games remaining.
I agree 100%. That said, there is no doubt in my mind that Jones will find a way to get LSU to the Ark game with a 9-8 SEC record only to get smashed in the finale to finish 9-9. Why am I confident? Because that is EXACTLY what has unfolded in years 1 and 2
Posted on 2/6/15 at 3:20 pm to LSUzealot
The pmac last night was sad. It got loud for some points but it was pretty quiet most of the time.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 3:28 pm to mmcgrath
No idea why Hammink left. Hickey wouldn't go to class. Do you not remember that he was suspended for multiple games last season? Malik wanted to start, but he wasn't better then Keith before the ACL injury and he definitely isn't better now. Other then Hickey, none of them were run off by Jones.
We're stuck between a rock and a hard place. You either have to play your best players more minutes then they should be playing or play players who aren't ready and risk letting the game get out of hand.
We had a 10 man rotation before Malik got hurt. Odo played in almost every game last year. Hammink too. We never went with 7 players. The minutes reflect that.
Ole Miss game. He was sick. I remember the announcers talking about how he was throwing up the day before.
We're stuck between a rock and a hard place. You either have to play your best players more minutes then they should be playing or play players who aren't ready and risk letting the game get out of hand.
We had a 10 man rotation before Malik got hurt. Odo played in almost every game last year. Hammink too. We never went with 7 players. The minutes reflect that.
Ole Miss game. He was sick. I remember the announcers talking about how he was throwing up the day before.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 3:32 pm to BobBarker
quote:
What about Quarterman? Hornsby was technically part of that class as well. Literally our 4 best players came from the 2013 class you stupid motherfricker.
Well I would stand corrected on those 2 at least.
quote:
You do realize we're LSU right? Lousiana doesn't produce basketball players like it does football players. We're lucky to get 1 top 100 instate player every year. Would you rather go back to the days when the headliner for our class was Matt Derenbecker.
I won't be referring to you on this, so generally speaking, I love how this was never the excuse for Trent Johnson, but CJJ gets a pass here. With that said if CJJ is the recruiter that people says he should be able to find talent from outside the state and/or put together a staff that can do it. This is why I'll never understand the recruitment of Elbert Robinson and Aaron Epps when we needed guys more ready to contribute right now.
This post was edited on 2/6/15 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 2/6/15 at 3:38 pm to c on z
quote:
Aaron Epps
I still think he has the capabilities to help this team this year. I heard he was a decent shooter I just think he has nerves. Hope he might get some more PT still.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 3:56 pm to Pnels08
I certainly dont think that we need to get rid of johnny--good recruiter, good guy, LSU man, but he has to start stressing fundamentals--we cant even get the ball inbounds this year, and this is every game. I also have a newsflash for J. martin nad J. Mickey--if they think they are ready for the NBA, they are NUTS! the league already has enough bricklayers, and certainly doesnt't need 2 more. Unfortunately, with poor free throw shooting, poor outside shooting, and bad interior defense, we are NIT bound.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 4:02 pm to shrevetiger53
Jones is a mediocre coach at best. His past record proves it. Recruiting ability does not equate with coaching.
Get used to it. As long as Dale Brown is alive Jones will be HC at LSU.
Get used to it. As long as Dale Brown is alive Jones will be HC at LSU.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 5:46 pm to stephendomalley
1. Every team in the country faces this issue, so it's not unique.
2. Have we really had this problem? JOB stayed 3 years. M&M have been here 2 years, and should be here for at least another. We haven't had "one and done" players so the "continuity" excuse rings hollow.
2. Have we really had this problem? JOB stayed 3 years. M&M have been here 2 years, and should be here for at least another. We haven't had "one and done" players so the "continuity" excuse rings hollow.
Posted on 2/6/15 at 5:54 pm to BobBarker
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Malik wanted to start, but he wasn't better then Keith before the ACL injury and he definitely isn't better now. Other then Hickey, none of them were run off by Jones... You either have to play your best players more minutes then they should be playing...
not trying to be a dick, but it's "than."
"Then" means after or later.
"Than" is a comparison.
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