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re: Compare Paul Maneiri and Brian Kelly
Posted on 9/18/24 at 1:52 pm to Ralphiemay
Posted on 9/18/24 at 1:52 pm to Ralphiemay
CBK is also lowering fan expectations much like Paul did.
Paul changed baseball expectations from being in Omaha every year to being in Omaha every three to four years
CBK has done the same with football. A 9-3 regular season is now considered good by a majority of fans. Les Miles was told that 9 wins wasn’t good enough at LSU
Sad sad days
Paul changed baseball expectations from being in Omaha every year to being in Omaha every three to four years
CBK has done the same with football. A 9-3 regular season is now considered good by a majority of fans. Les Miles was told that 9 wins wasn’t good enough at LSU
Sad sad days
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Posted on 9/18/24 at 1:55 pm to 304tiger
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We signed no DTs in his first full year here and mostly 3 star corners. It begs the question, how hungry is he for a national championship? How relentless is he on the recruiting trail?
and then we fired the coaches.
I think he wants to win.
he has shown he isn’t overly loyal to his guys and willing to correct mistakes.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 2:06 pm to nicholastiger
The 39 scholarship players is not accurate . People are confusing 39 scholarship players who were at the Texas bowl at the end of O’s last season due to academic casualties and opting out . He inherited somewhere in the neighborhood of 70 scholarship players . Also he inherited more NFL caliber talent than he has accrued himself in 3 seasons at the helm.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 2:18 pm to 304tiger
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Sometimes I feel like they both overlook the basic concept that is college sports. If you out recruit other programs, you're going to have a high level of success.
What?
I’m not gonna justify OP’s ridiculous premise by even discussing Paul, but you think Brian Kelly doesn’t understand you need the best players to compete with other teams with the best players? That’s absurd and too stupid to really even comprehend. One of the biggest reasons he left Notre Dame was because he knew he was being hamstrung there in competing for the best players. Admission standards, subpar facilities, no nutrition program, and all the other high tech things that LSU is on the forefront of were not available at Notre Dame. Nor was the easy geographical access to all the best players. He had to fly all over the country to get guys. And he knew that was too much to overcome to compete against the Bamas, Georgias, Ohio States, and LSUs of the world that were winning all the NCs. He KNEW he had to be able to recruit the best players if he wanted to truly compete at the highest level. And compete consistently.
Hell, his knowing it is literally the reason he left the part of the country he had coached in and raised his family in for the last 35 years of his personal and professional life after growing up, going to college and starting his career in Massachusetts. You think a guy who had never lived anywhere but the Northeast and Midwest for 60 years, just left maybe the most prestigious football programs in college football history where he could have coached until he retired and uprooted his family and entire life and moved to fricking hot arse South Louisiana to try to win a National Championship and didn’t realize he needed to recruit the best players to do so? I can’t comprehend this level of stupidity.
Sure, the money was nice, but he was already set for generations and would have gotten a raise and extension from Notre Dame, probably after that season as they were on the brink of making the 4-team playoff. I think it was more about the timing. He saw the landscape of college football changing and that you basically had to be at a southern school to win big, knew he was getting toward the end of his career, and was looking for a premier job to open up that he could go to and take his shot. He had probably been thinking about it for a while, and when the LSU gig opened up, he jumped on it knowing that another of that caliber might not for a while. And by “that caliber,” I mean a place “WHERE YOU CAN RECRUIT THE BEST PLAYERS” needed for winning championships!!!
Posted on 9/18/24 at 2:33 pm to Hot Carl
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And by “that caliber,” I mean a place “WHERE YOU CAN RECRUIT THE BEST PLAYERS” needed for winning championships!!!
Then why was his staff his first two years noticeably weak as recruiters? I think he's rectified that now.
CBK had 30+ years of HC experience when he arrived. He is not immune from criticism when he makes a 2-year long mistake or the inexcusable debacle on D last year. And TBH, it's now fair to add STs and lack of preparation to the list of CBK's mess ups.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 2:35 pm to Ralphiemay
Every college that has a program wants to win in football to varying degrees , depending mainly on their resources.
At least eighty percent of colleges could not care less about what their baseball program does, if they even have one.
At least eighty percent of colleges could not care less about what their baseball program does, if they even have one.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 2:35 pm to ipodking
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Paul changed baseball expectations from being in Omaha every year to being in Omaha every three to four years
This is a terrible take.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 2:40 pm to Ralphiemay
I feel like BK has made questionable decisions with coordinators. I felt PM could be more stubborn but saying that BK can be just as bad. BK did have a lot less to work with when he came here compared to PM though.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 2:45 pm to Ralphiemay
Here's a comparison, some similarities and differences!
Mainieri:
-Baseball coach
-Hired By LSU from ND
-Won a national championship and played for another
-Past his prime
-Won't win a championship at current school
Kelly:
-Football coach
-Hired by LSU from ND
-Never on a national championship and lost 1 title game in embarrassing fashion!
-Past his prime
-Won't win a championship at current school
Mainieri:
-Baseball coach
-Hired By LSU from ND
-Won a national championship and played for another
-Past his prime
-Won't win a championship at current school
Kelly:
-Football coach
-Hired by LSU from ND
-Never on a national championship and lost 1 title game in embarrassing fashion!
-Past his prime
-Won't win a championship at current school
Posted on 9/18/24 at 2:45 pm to Ralphiemay
Just stop
Posted on 9/18/24 at 2:47 pm to Ralphiemay
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Both seem to under achieve despite being handed the keys to top of the line programs . Can we list the traits they share . Poor recruiting effort ? Expecting to win based of the letters LSU on the jersey and not willing to put in the overall work compared to other top coaches ? Discuss guys
Discuss, you are an idiot? Kelly inherated a bumpster fire. How many scholarship players are 38? and now has the last time I checked # 3 recruiting class, so it does show you don't follow LSU football, worth a frick, and are a complete tool....Discuss
Posted on 9/18/24 at 2:49 pm to Ralphiemay
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Poor recruiting effort ?
Certainly not this
Posted on 9/18/24 at 2:56 pm to Hot Carl
I didn't say he doesn't understand, just that he overlooks the importance of elite recruiting. Like I said, the '25 class looks great and hopefully holds up ... but the previous 2 have major holes, particularly at DT and corner.
If he understands it, then why did he not sign a DT in his first cycle here, and mostly sign 3 star DBs? He could've done that at ND.
I'm not questioning his knowledge of that, but his resiliency, obsession, and commitment. You don't hear top recruiting HCs talking about golfing or work life balance. It's sad, but it's the way of it. You have to be relentless to get the recruiting results, and I don't think he was in year 1 or 2. Year 3 is a different story, but how much of that is attributable to him vs. new hires putting the time in?
What if part of the reason he came here was to avoid traveling in recruiting and maybe hoping that LA 3 star recruits will be easy to land, and hopefully turn out?
If he understands it, then why did he not sign a DT in his first cycle here, and mostly sign 3 star DBs? He could've done that at ND.
I'm not questioning his knowledge of that, but his resiliency, obsession, and commitment. You don't hear top recruiting HCs talking about golfing or work life balance. It's sad, but it's the way of it. You have to be relentless to get the recruiting results, and I don't think he was in year 1 or 2. Year 3 is a different story, but how much of that is attributable to him vs. new hires putting the time in?
What if part of the reason he came here was to avoid traveling in recruiting and maybe hoping that LA 3 star recruits will be easy to land, and hopefully turn out?
Posted on 9/18/24 at 2:58 pm to Chicken
Absolutely
Posted on 9/18/24 at 3:06 pm to Ralphiemay
I’m looking through that roster and i’m seeing about 42-43 players from 2021 on the 2022 that I believe would be scholarship players on a normal team.
the question mark is Jared Small.
22/43 were from the 2021 class.
and that 43 includes some ST guys and a lot of guys who then transfered at the end of 2022.
the question mark is Jared Small.
22/43 were from the 2021 class.
and that 43 includes some ST guys and a lot of guys who then transfered at the end of 2022.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 3:23 pm to Ralphiemay
Both sound gay.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 3:28 pm to Ralphiemay
You must be a liberal ,cause you bitch about everything .
Posted on 9/18/24 at 3:31 pm to weptiger
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Manieri quiet quit
Not his name. CPM was at LSU 14 years. You'd think a "fan" could spell his name correctly.
Edited to 14.
This post was edited on 9/18/24 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 9/18/24 at 3:34 pm to Hot Carl
We shall see if the 2025 class holds together . People are talking about it as if there is some accomplishment to a projected recruiting class. He has not recruited well enough thus far with the high school players and transfer players he has brought in . With the exception of Jayden Daniels , his transfer portal players have been underwhelming, just like his entire tenure thus far . Some people are slow to come to this realization. Case in point look up the score of the LSU vs South Carolina game in 2020, a terrible year for LSU . We dominated a South Carolina team that was equivalent to the team who nearly beat us last Saturday .
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