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Posted on 7/9/24 at 1:58 pm to young man tiger
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LSU football made $105.7 million for the athletic department last school year, turning out a $54 million profit. The only other sport in the athletic department to earn a profit was men's basketball, which made $1.34 million.
Try again.
Keep in mind this was a year where the Men's basketball team was pretty bad and the Baseball team won a Natty with two generational talents. In my mind Baseball is always number 2 at LSU fan wise.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 2:07 pm to young man tiger
Just 1.5 mil behind. Just imagine if lsu start winning consistently and bring home a championship. Those numbers would skyrocket.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 2:07 pm to LSBoosie
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There is only one thing in here that you are way off on, and it's pretty important. Revenue/profit is a big deal.
Basketball gets a fat check in revenue sharing for March Madness, the SEC Basketball Tournament, and Media Rights.
So they get that check based on Basketball being bigger nationally, not because it's bigger at LSU in particular.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 2:54 pm to High Life
I don't know how old you are, but I can promise you there was a 15 year stretch from about 1978-1993 when basketball was bigger than FOOTBALL at LSU. I seent it myself, and any OBJECTIVE THINKING tiger fan over 50 would agree with me.
Now even with a return to what Dale did or what Wade was going to do, I don't think that will happen again in BR. Football is too big and successful now.
But if you think a Dale Brown type tenure from a new men's coach wouldn't cause basketball to ABSOLUTELY DWARF interest in baseball at LSU, you are wrong.
Now even with a return to what Dale did or what Wade was going to do, I don't think that will happen again in BR. Football is too big and successful now.
But if you think a Dale Brown type tenure from a new men's coach wouldn't cause basketball to ABSOLUTELY DWARF interest in baseball at LSU, you are wrong.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 2:56 pm to Dizz
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Keep in mind this was a year where the Men's basketball team was pretty bad and the Baseball team won a Natty with two generational talents. In my mind Baseball is always number 2 at LSU fan wise.
keep in mind the check LSU gets from the SEC and NCAA for TV deals, March Madness, etc. that gets label directly to basketball is because college basketball is bigger nationally than college baseball is nationally.
Not because LSU basketball is bigger than LSU baseball.
they got a $4.2 million check for media rights specifically earmarked for men's basketball (there is no media rights deal specifically earmarked for baseball)
they got a $2.7 million dollar cut from the NCAA specifically earmarked for men's basketball (Baseball falls somewhere under the $1.2 listed as "other sports") thanks in large part to March Madness, something LSU didn't even participate in.
they also get a $400k check as their cut of the SEC tourney (baseball gets $40k).
that's just shy of $7mil they get for simply existing as an SEC team.
and has next to nothing to do with their own popularity or success in comparisons to other sports on campus.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 3:02 pm to Dizz
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In my mind Baseball is always number 2 at LSU fan wise
Which is why baseball generates more consumer revenue than basketball, regardless of profit margin. Monetary expenses don’t tell the tale of a program’s hierarchy within an athletic department, unless you are an accountant. The baseball program brings in the second highest gross figures because the baseball program is the second highest regarded sport, not to mention the unquantifiable notoriety it brings the school on a national level as compared to the basketball program, considering that we are the baseball equivalent of Bama football and Kentucky basketball.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 3:22 pm to young man tiger
Most college sports fans nationwide couldn't tell you who won the college baseball national championship this year.
Almost all know Michigan won in football, and UConn won in basketball this year.
Almost all know Michigan won in football, and UConn won in basketball this year.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 3:46 pm to tigahlovah
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Most college sports fans nationwide couldn't tell you who won the college baseball national championship this year.
nationally? for sure.
at LSU specifically? Baseball is simply bigger and there really isn't metric that says otherwise.
as I posted above, nearly $7mil of their income last year, they get no matter what and has no relation to the popularity or success of the sport on campus.
all sports at LSU outside of Football and Mens/Womens Basketball get a total of $2.3 mil combined.
Basketball needed every penny of that $7 mil to be profitable.
Baseball basically broke even without that gift.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:12 pm to CAD703X
That is a cherry picking if I've ever seen one
Posted on 7/9/24 at 4:12 pm to CAD703X
Posted on 7/9/24 at 5:11 pm to young man tiger
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There is absolutely no metric that can support the notion that basketball is bigger at LSU than baseball.
Are we excluding money as a metric?
Posted on 7/9/24 at 5:24 pm to tigahlovah
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I don't know how old you are, but I can promise you there was a 15 year stretch from about 1978-1993 when basketball was bigger than FOOTBALL at LSU. I seent it myself, and any OBJECTIVE THINKING tiger fan over 50 would agree with me.
I guess it depends on how you look at it.
the PMAC was overflowing and Death Valley was half empty.
so in that regard, sure.
but the largest crowd ever at the PMAC was under 14,000
the Southern Miss game Curley's last year (arguably one of the lowest points in program history) sold 51,000 tickets.
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But if you think a Dale Brown type tenure from a new men's coach wouldn't cause basketball to ABSOLUTELY DWARF interest in baseball at LSU, you are wrong.
it would top interest in Baseball, absolutely.
I don't think anyone is arguing that Basketball can't be bigger.
Just that it currently isn't and hasn't been for quite some time now.
Dale Brown's peak (the CJ - Shaq era & '81-'82 ) would dwarf baseball.
they were getting comfortably over 13,000 per game.
the majority of his tenure here, they would still outsell baseball, but it would be closer than you're thinking.
Basketball was averaging right at 12,000 per game.
Baseball is at 10,600 per game.
That's not as big of a gap as Baseball is currently holding over Basketball.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 5:38 pm to denvertiger
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Are we excluding money as a metric?
I already broke that down.
2022-2023 fiscal year
LSU basketball got $4.2 million as part of the SEC and NCAA media rights package
so did Kentucky.
LSU Basketball got $2.7 million as their share of NCAA distribution
so did Kentucky
those checks have nothing to do with how "big" LSU basketball is in comparison to other sports on campus.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 5:52 pm to tigahlovah
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don't know how old you are, but I can promise you there was a 15 year stretch from about 1978-1993 when basketball was bigger than FOOTBALL at LSU
Times change. Both sports are wildly different than they were 30+ years ago. I don’t see it changing but who knows maybe we catch lightning in a bottle one day. LSU fandom will flock to any sport that sees success
Posted on 7/9/24 at 6:32 pm to Nutriaitch
You call that a gift. It's not a gift. It's one college sport that is INFINITELY more popular than another distributing the money made off that popularity to it's member schools.
Baseball WILL NEVER receive the payout men's basketball does because only a select few schools around the nation (and LSU is CURRENTLY one of those), have more support for baseball over one of the two big sports.
And by the way, if LSU men's basketball was performing as well or better than baseball, the support would dwarf baseball in BR. It's happened before.
If LSU basketball was to become a consistent winner in the future, you would see this take place.
Baseball WILL NEVER receive the payout men's basketball does because only a select few schools around the nation (and LSU is CURRENTLY one of those), have more support for baseball over one of the two big sports.
And by the way, if LSU men's basketball was performing as well or better than baseball, the support would dwarf baseball in BR. It's happened before.
If LSU basketball was to become a consistent winner in the future, you would see this take place.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 6:39 pm to SaveFarris
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What is this even attempting to say? Money spent? Made? Travel cost? Coaching salaries? Food budget?
Posted on 7/9/24 at 6:50 pm to Nutriaitch
Exactly. On average there are far more baseball fans than basketball fans as well at all colleges.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 7:07 pm to Timeoday
quote:this board is biased in favor of baseball because we've been so good for decades.
Exactly. On average there are far more baseball fans than basketball fans as well at all colleges.
But outside of a handful of universities, college baseball is nothing.
I live in Atlanta, and UGA made it to the super regionals this year, and Ga Tech has had many elite teams in the past.
But no one, and I mean NO ONE, ever talks about college baseball here. It's football and basketball. And I firmly believe it's that way at the vast majority of schools across the country.
LSU is an aberration.
Posted on 7/9/24 at 7:16 pm to Timeoday
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On average there are far more baseball fans than basketball fans as well at all colleges.
College baseball? frick no
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