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Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:16 am to lsu2006
This is a classic heart vs. brain scenario. I want guys to stay. I know they won't.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:21 am to DrD
All major programs have to deal with possbly losing 2 or 3 per year. At LSU, it is becoming a much worse problem. Other programs are more successful at retaining underclassmen. We have guys jumping ship at the first possible chance.
This post was edited on 1/6/14 at 10:24 am
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:39 am to lsu2006
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Do you have all the answers, genius? Pretty sure you don't. It's all speculation on here - every bit. You can say whatever you want that the players hate Les or whatever, but that just doesn't make a shred of sense. We've just had a bad stroke of luck the last two years with our juniors is my best guess. It's not like this has happened the last 9 years. More and more schools will start having this perceived problem.
Or should I just say the #decline is real? Will that please you?
I know, but there is a reason we're having more leave than others and I have a hard time believing it's because our players are different/more poor/have more kids/etc. or because our players know their options and are miraculously the only ones in all of NCAA football to know they can go pro early and benefit.
Just seems like it's eitehr the type of player we're getting or the culture in the program. Why else do guys like Mosley and Steen stay at Bama and we're losing fringe guys like a fricking punter, guard, back up RB, and little known LT?
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More and more schools will start having this perceived problem.
Why are we first?
This post was edited on 1/6/14 at 10:44 am
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:43 am to TigerfFaithful
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Other programs are more successful at retaining underclassmen. We have guys jumping ship at the first possible chance.
This. At this point, it wouldn't even surprise me if guys like elliott Porter, Terrance Magee, and Evan Washington went pro.
The quicker the sunshine pumpers realize that fringe guys do not leave other programs early and that it is a problem that is unique to LSU the better.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:50 am to Moustache
You will get downvoted, but your post is right.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:51 am to Moustache
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The quicker the sunshine pumpers realize that fringe guys do not leave other programs early and that it is a problem that is unique to LSU the better.
what fringe guys are leaving in 2013?
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:36 am to DrD
After watching the RB from South Carolina get hurt the way he did - Lattimore - you could make the argument it's time to let fr and soph come out early.
Clowney wanted no part of college football this year and it showed. Do you think Gurley is itching to come back for one more year at UGA.
Clowney wanted no part of college football this year and it showed. Do you think Gurley is itching to come back for one more year at UGA.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:40 am to TigerB8
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It does appear that for the second year in a row LSU will lead that pack in early departures to the NFL. Thankfully it won't be as bad as last year. Nonetheless, LSU is sitting at 5 right now and a couple more decisions due in the next few weeks.
This is what really annoys me.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:11 pm to jim712
Why don't the NFL and the NBA go back to prior rules where they didn't draft someone until their 4-year eligibility was up?
NBA has ruined college basketball with it's one-and-done and draft-anyone mentality. College basketball is hard to watch now because there are fewer and fewer seniors and developed players on teams.
College football is going the same way. There won't be any seniors left to have a senior day except for all the walk-ons.
NBA has ruined college basketball with it's one-and-done and draft-anyone mentality. College basketball is hard to watch now because there are fewer and fewer seniors and developed players on teams.
College football is going the same way. There won't be any seniors left to have a senior day except for all the walk-ons.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 1:01 pm to Moustache
Everything you post is on point. I've asked the same questions and made the same arguments. No one knows the answer. But we can agree that if LSU is again hit harder than every other school, something is wrong. Until then I hope last year was an anomaly.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 1:01 pm to engl6914
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If we had given a scholarship to a student because he could play violin well, and in his 3rd year he left our orchestra/program for a contract to play with the Boston Symphony--well, would we be concerned?
As Ms. Rosa Sowell told Sherry A in my high school algebra class "It is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt" easily applies to your post.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 1:39 pm to foshizzle
if the kids are good enough then you don't redshirt them anymore. I can see a low rated player or a lineman needing to put on weight, but if not them get em on the field for some PT. You may have them 3 years might as well increase your depth and get them experience for the 2nd and 3rd years.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 2:04 pm to Moustache
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The quicker the sunshine pumpers realize that fringe guys do not leave other programs early and that it is a problem that is unique to LSU the better.
I generally agree with you on most topics, but as to LSU guys jumping ship early to the NFL as opposed to other programs not losing top talent year in and year out...
is it possible that Miles is less selfish--more concerned with the interests of his players than the interests of himself, or even his program--than a Saban or Stoops or Muschamp, etc?
Miles sits on the coldest seat in college football--he ain't gettin' fired and he ain't going anywhere. His name never seriously comes up during coaching searches (except for Michigan), and since he said no to his dream job (Michigan), I feel safe to say that Miles will retire at LSU. He's the second best coach in the SEC, and sometimes he beats the best coach in the SEC. If you hear the players talk about him, most all of them say they'd run through a brick wall for him. And I kind of think it's reciprocated. So when a kid comes to him and says "what do you think is my best option," I think he talks to them about their best option--with no other interests at stake, just theirs, and if their best option means jumping to the NFL for a chance at decent playing time and a great paycheck, I think he's straight with them. JMHO.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:28 pm to geaux99
By the lack of interest in my post I gather that everyone has lost all perspective on what student athletics should be. Carry on.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:34 pm to DrD
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Sure would like to see these kids stay in school and get a degree along with enjoying their senior season with all the accolades and enjoyment of college life. Oh well.... the good old days are gone.
lol...
God, some of you people are just so dense.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:11 pm to DrD
Yes we are evolving
Posted on 1/7/14 at 3:20 pm to Triggerduckman
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By the lack of interest in my post I gather that everyone has lost all perspective on what student athletics should be. Carry on.
Oh, you mean this little nugget of wisdom:
"You want to see real college athletics then follow IVY LEAGUE sports. My daughter played D1 volleyball at Columbia. There was real team spirit and competition. No scholarships and every athlete in every sport graduated in 4 years. Ivy League is D1 in every sport except football. They play for the love of the game. Athletics is considered a way or a ticket to get a great education.
This should be the model for all college athletics. The direction college sports is heading right now we might as well go to a draft system for high school players and pay them."
We're so privileged to have such self-righteous guidance and wisdom from dguidry.
College athletics are not "tickets" to a great education in the Ivy League because as you've noted there are no scholarships. And what of the kids who would have no shot at a college education short of a paid athletic scholarship, or who would otherwise be burdened by overwhelming student loan debt afterwards...isn't an athletic scholarship at a D-I school truly the "way or ticket" for such a kid.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 7:37 pm to geaux99
Geaux99: admissions are blind. Ivy League schools meet 100% need. This means if you are poor you pay nothing. Many don't know or understand this, you included.
Posted on 1/7/14 at 10:44 pm to Slickback
why tur down money and sloots to play for free
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