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re: Coaching...too early to compare Marcus Freeman to Brian Kelly?
Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:21 am to LSBoosie
Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:21 am to LSBoosie
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But I see people on here that use the fact that he the 2nd winningest coach in college football as the only reason reason that he is 100% currently better than a guy that has been a head coach for 3 or 4 years.
I think a good comparison to Marcus Freeman would be Lincoln Riley, but Freeman is still just a baby in terms of being a head coach, and 3 years is not a large sample size at all.
Riley took over a program Stoops built and kept it running at a high level, until he bolted for USCw.
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 11:23 am to John Casey
I agree. There are many coaching comparisons that people try to make that just don't make sense.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 12:21 pm to 1970sPurpleKnight
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You appear to be suggesting he was a better running QB than passer which isn't true at any point in his career..
The same thing 25 D-1 ,,Top 25 programs saw in him was the same thing BK saw in him...
A program changing,dominant QB.
No, I'm aware of how awesome he started off at AZ St. and the numbers he put up passing. And I think he was the first true freshman to ever start the season at QB there.
JD was mostly successful due to his athleticism and his awesome dedication to getting better and not due to anyone else. BK said JD would be in the film room at like 5:30 am before anyone else was even around.
I do think BK and co. did a great job of encouraging and pushing him to work on his intermediate and long ball game which improved tremendously from his junior to his senior season. I remember BK said he told him to throw it up more and let his talented WRs do their part. He told JD it was fine for him to have a higher INT. count because that would likely mean he was trying to pushing the ball further downfield.
As for the other stuff, JD seemed like a pretty good pickup with even more potential at the time when BK landed him, but it wasn't like it was a gigantic news story. That's all I was saying. Some thought he had regressed with all the TD/INT ratio regardless of his depleted WR group. LSU was just a better spot for him overall in the end.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:02 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:So you think bama = NIU?
AlwysATgr
Got it! Go argue with your mamma.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:16 pm to That LSU Guy
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So you think bama = NIU?
No.
The ratio of LSU:Bama after getting smoked in CS and as an elimination game >>> in importance than ND:NIU which meant nothing.
Got it?
FTR: AlwysATgr Momma >>>> That LSU Guy Momma. Got it?
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:18 pm to AlwysATgr
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But you know what's really inexcusable? The Bama debacle. Two weeks to prepare. Home game. Night game. Chance to redeem ourselves after the collapse in College Station. Ostensibly an elimination game. 33 years of HC experience and that's what we get?
Milroe is just a terrible matchup for our defensive personnel, I'm not sure what coaches can realistically do about that.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:23 pm to John Casey
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It's not the number of wins that is impressive, it's that he brought relevancy and winning consistently back to Notre Dame.
"back to"?! Really? Brian Kelly handed Freeman a team that barely missed the 4 team playoff. Orgeron handed Kelly a pile of shite. People here are dumb.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:59 pm to Handsome Pete
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"back to"?! Really? Brian Kelly handed Freeman a team that barely missed the 4 team playoff. Orgeron handed Kelly a pile of shite. People here are dumb.
Not sure if you are calling me dumb or quoting my "back to" to emphasize the point I was making about Kelly bringing Notre Dame back to relevancy.
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 12/6/24 at 3:05 pm to John Casey
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Not sure if you are calling me dumb or quoting my "back to" to emphaize the point I was making about Kelly bringing Notre Dame back to relevancy.
My bad. Thought you were claiming Freeman brought ND back to relevancy. Rage immediately blinded me to context.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 3:11 pm to TigerFlash
Yes, too early.
Kelly got ND to the 4 team playoff twice and a national championship game once.
Making the 12 team playoff is less impressive; let's see Freeman win a game, or reach the semi finals, before saying he has done better than Kelly.
Kelly got ND to the 4 team playoff twice and a national championship game once.
Making the 12 team playoff is less impressive; let's see Freeman win a game, or reach the semi finals, before saying he has done better than Kelly.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 4:27 pm to AlwysATgr
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No.
The ratio of LSU:Bama after getting smoked in CS and as an elimination game >>> in importance than ND:NIU which meant nothing.
Got it?
FTR: AlwysATgr Momma >>>> That LSU Guy Momma. Got it?
The problem with your assessment is that bama is not a good team. They beat UGA, right? They are loaded to the gills with 4 & 5 star talent, and with a coach whose done very well for himself over a short period of time.
But... We also beat Vandy and OU which beat bama, so...
The transitive property does not work (for the most part) with football is what I'm saying. I will also say that NIU is NOT bama. There is NO excuse for that loss just like there was no excuse when we lost to Troy a few years back.
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 12/6/24 at 5:49 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Kelly had one of the most difficult.
This was the easiest schedule he will have at LSU. I’m just not sold on him keeping his teams disciplined enough to win a championship
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 12/6/24 at 5:52 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Milroe is just a terrible matchup for our defensive personnel, I'm not sure what coaches can realistically do about that.
You have to be Brian Kelly with this piss poor excuse
Posted on 12/6/24 at 6:37 pm to Sevendust912
Smother no… beat yes. Nd 35 LSU 28.
Posted on 12/7/24 at 8:58 am to Irish ND fan
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Irish ND Fan
Get the frick out of here. Your university is a has-been program and will never win shite. 36 years and counting, motherfricker.
This post was edited on 12/7/24 at 8:59 am
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:32 pm to LSBoosie
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I mean I get what your are saying, but what other metric, ahead of results against common opponents, are you supposed to value between two opponents that are in different conferences?
there is no set in stone metric that works like that.
common opponents has never worked like that though, so it’s comical that people keep using it.
another one:
we beat Ole Miss who spanked UGA.
so we would beat UGA if we had played them?
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